[Altavia]

We're seeing frequently confused people around Wellpoint due to many new residents (including Middleton) and Lifestyle visitors.

Given the number of part time, short term visitors, a few nicely designed signs explaining what's permitted on the paths wouldn't hurt.

Maybe even with a map and "you are here" at a few major intersections with a few "do's and don'ts" as installed at some Rec Centers

For example, Having one white post at MMP entry points indicating golf carts allowed and two white post meaning no golf carts is not intuitively obvious.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Licensed LSV: Could be a Yamaha golf cart modified for 25mph and an approved windshield.
E-bike: If it fits one of the three categories recognized by Florida law then it is treated as a bicycle.
Scooter: Not sure what is meant by a scooter. A two-wheeled vehicle with a seat and a motor? A four-wheeled mobility device? A small, two-wheeled vehicle you stand on?
Moped: Defined by Florida law and treated more like a motorcycle than a bicycle

Allowed on MMP: Pedestrians, bicycles, golf carts. Some years ago the question of LSVs came up and it was the opinion of the District lawyer that an LSV is essentially a fast golf cart and is allowed on the MMP.

Too wide for MMP: 47" appears to be standard. Yamaha, EZ-Go, and Star are 47". Evolution and Atomic appear to be 56". Is there a maximum width and is 56" too wide? While that would rule out Atomic it would also rule out Yamahas with Curtis Cabs.

What is it about the license plate that makes the vehicle inappropriate for the MMP? I'm sure it's not the DOT-approved windshield. It can't be the speed as we've been told many times that almost all carts have been modified to go 30mph+. If I take the plate off my LSV is it then acceptable? What if it's a silly "The Villages" vanity plate and not an official DMV plate, is it okay then? Are there other accessories that would make a cart ineligible to use the MMPs in your opinion?

I’ve already gave my opinion, which is opinion I don’t care how others interpret it.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Velvet

TV advertises itself as a golf cart community

Why do you claim that? What specific advertisement are you quoting?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Why do you claim that? What specific advertisement are you quoting?

There's a sign on Morse Blvd that reads "Welcome to The Villages! A Golf-Cart Community. Drive With Care." It's right after you enter the gate from 466 heading north.

[bob47]

The only things I remember learning in kindergarten: 1) walk on the left facing traffic; 2) keep your arms inside the school bus window; and 3) what red, yellow, and green mean on a traffic light.

Cleveland public schools, 1953.

[Velvet]

‘In our hometown, each of our Villages are made up of a collection of quaint neighborhoods surrounded by a wide variety of recreation, golf, entertainment, shopping, dining, and wellness opportunities – just a golf car ride away. Go exploring and have a new adventure every day. Reconnect with family and make new friends. In The Villages, your dreams can become a reality.’ Dream a little (thevillages.com)

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There's a sign on Morse Blvd that reads "Welcome to The Villages! A Golf-Cart Community. Drive With Care." It's right after you enter the gate from 466 heading north.

Yes, I am aware of that sign.

Do you know of any other sign or official statement that says TV is a "golf cart community"?

[roob1]

Does advertising as a golf cart community mean EXCLUSIVELY golf carts? If you are correct, then the paths would be called golf cart paths, not MULTI MODAL paths.

Originally Posted by Velvet

Well, TV advertises itself as a golf cart community, not as a walking or bicycle riding community. So if anyone got banned, it would be them. The bridges and tunnels are also built for golf carts. But as there is a recognition that people do like to use their bikes and they do like to walk, there is more and more building for these type of activities in the newer areas.

[octathorn]

I always walk facing on coming traffic whether bikes or golf carts. When folks are walking 2-3 abreast walking with traffic facing me I stay as close to the edge of the path by the grass. If they don’t move they’re going down. I’m from Boston so I’m a Masshole😱

[kayak]

Walking or running on the right, back toward traffic, is for those who have a death wish.

[Southwest737]

The walkers that are in danger are the ones walking into traffic around the numerous blind curves on MMP. Use the outside lane so you can see better and be seen.

[kimgarwel12@gmail.com]

This whole subject makes me nuts!!! Carts are designed to go 20 mph (if you don't fiddle with the governor). They are not allowed on most public roads, where bikes are allowed. Cart paths were designed/created for golf carts. Now they've been renamed MMPs to accommodate/allow anything that moves. There are numerous walking/biking paths throughout TV where carts are not allowed. Yet, on the cart paths/MMPs that were designed for them to go 20 mph, carts get a bad rap for even being on the MMPs and "going too fast." There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. The tunnels, bridges and round-abouts, IMO, were not designed to accommodate bikers and walkers. My husband and I have kept the governor on our cart and keep our speed at 19-20 mph, give walkers/bikers wide berth whenever possible or slow down to accommodate their speed when we have to. Yet despite that, we're always getting yelled at to "slow down," "get off the path," and a multitude of other unmentionable comments!!! We've had them purposely step or pull their bikes out in front of us when they see us coming. We had an entire group of bikers (about 15) fan out in the lane in front of us from single file as we approached from behind, trying to make it impossible for us to safely pass around them. When we were able to pass them in the oncoming traffic path lane, we were heckled, cursed at, and yelled at. I no longer have any sympathy for these people on the very paths originally built for carts.....and yes, I know, not all bikers/walkers are like this. There just seem to be more and more of the nasty ones as TV grows. There are approximately 75k golf carts on the cart paths and villages streets that were designed for them. The bikers/walkers need to stop whining!!!

[BillyGrown]

Bicycles can enjoy any route or MMP, but there are several types here and often the paths type can dictate proper protocol. If the path is the 2 posted non motorized walking path, bikes can use them instead of the roadways but must yield the right of way to walkers. There won’t always be traffic near these paths and they can be populated with people using walkers, rehabilitative walkers and even dog walkers. A bicyclist needs to be very careful of foot traffic on those paths. Is that the type of MMP you are talking about?

If it’s the single post entry way bikes will encounter both walkers and golf carts. The paths are wide enough for right hand left hand walking flow. This means traffic flow protocol can be more followed because there is room.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by VApeople

Yes, I am aware of that sign.

Do you know of any other sign or official statement that says TV is a "golf cart community"?

If that is the only sign that reads, "a golf cart community," there are many other indications that this community was built for golf carts:

The FAQ on thevillages.com mentions getting around by golf carts several times
There are MMPs here that I never see elsewhere.
There are golf cart bridges here that I never see elsewhere.
There are the "diamond" lanes along the roadways here that I rarely see elsewhere.
There are signs at the end (not beginning) of the "diamond" lanes indicating that golf carts must merge
There are signs at most gates and several intersections indicating that golf carts cannot proceed beyond a certain point.
There are certain amenities that have only golf cart parking.
I have read here about certain starter shacks that have no convenient parking for automobiles.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by kimgarwel12@gmail.com

This whole subject makes me nuts!!! Carts are designed to go 20 mph (if you don't fiddle with the governor). They are not allowed on most public roads, where bikes are allowed. Cart paths were designed/created for golf carts. Now they've been renamed MMPs to accommodate/allow anything that moves. There are numerous walking/biking paths throughout TV where carts are not allowed. Yet, on the cart paths/MMPs that were designed for them to go 20 mph, carts get a bad rap for even being on the MMPs and "going too fast." There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. The tunnels, bridges and round-abouts, IMO, were not designed to accommodate bikers and walkers. My husband and I have kept the governor on our cart and keep our speed at 19-20 mph, give walkers/bikers wide berth whenever possible or slow down to accommodate their speed when we have to. Yet despite that, we're always getting yelled at to "slow down," "get off the path," and a multitude of other unmentionable comments!!! We've had them purposely step or pull their bikes out in front of us when they see us coming. We had an entire group of bikers (about 15) fan out in the lane in front of us from single file as we approached from behind, trying to make it impossible for us to safely pass around them. When we were able to pass them in the oncoming traffic path lane, we were heckled, cursed at, and yelled at. I no longer have any sympathy for these people on the very paths originally built for carts.....and yes, I know, not all bikers/walkers are like this. There just seem to be more and more of the nasty ones as TV grows. There are approximately 75k golf carts on the cart paths and villages streets that were designed for them. The bikers/walkers need to stop whining!!!

OMG sounds like entitlement to me GOLFERS RULE lmao