[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Djean1981

It has a bar..

Don't they both have a bar?

[RedChariot]

Originally Posted by jakers

Where will you go to feel safer?

I think the fact that this is not a gated community is a major factor. Relative lived in Lakewood Ranch in 2 different areas. One entrance I could not enter at all. Not manned at the time so no card no entrance. The main entrance we had to stop. Our name and license plate written down. They documented who we were visiting. Only after that were we able to pass through the gate. Prior to living here, I did not realize how important a gated community can be. And wasn't Morse smart when he decided to have the roads fall under the local jurisdictions so that anyone can enter here and ride around. Not!

[Gulfcoast]

Sounds as though a man involved in a shooting outside in the parking lot managed to gain entry into the restaurant via a side door after the restaurant had closed. And a patron still inside the restaurant, who had a concealed carry permit, wound up fatally shooting the individual.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Ele201

Is the food any better for someone if they go earlier in the evening to Applebee’s? Granted, eating that late at night isn’t good for you. But we don’t need the chain restaurant “police” telling us what’s good or bad for us. Let people eat what they want, it’s up to them!

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[Taltarzac725]

He might have been whom they were shooting at and came into the bar to get away from the shooters.

We do not know what he had in his pocket and whether the person who shot him was drunk or not. Maybe he was reaching for his cell phone to call 911.

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Sounds as though a man involved in a shooting outside in the parking lot managed to gain entry into the restaurant via a side door after the restaurant had closed. And a patron still inside the restaurant, who had a concealed carry permit, wound up fatally shooting the individual.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Don't know how you came up with that conclusion from what I posted, but like I said... They -could- have been arrested AFTER those crimes were committed...

Now, unless you propose police stop every single person they see, how exactly do you expect them to arrest everyone with an outstanding warrant, or someone possessing illegal drugs or carrying an illegal firearm?

Facial recognition cameras and SW are capable of quickly identifying specific individuals, even out of large groups or against diverse backgrounds (e.g. outdoors). Many stores, including Apple centers, already do this as you walk in their doors in order to identify and then monitor habitual shoplifters. Likewise, some states, including NY, equip their state troopers cars with license plate recognition/identification cameras to immediately check passing cars for violations (e.g. expired registrations). It takes just a few seconds. Florida police could do the same in order to identify sought-after criminals.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

The police are only here to take a report after the fact. Your personal safety is up to you.

Truer words were never spoken. Police simply cannot respond quickly enough.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm

Facial recognition cameras and SW are capable of quickly identifying specific individuals, even out of large groups or against diverse backgrounds (e.g. outdoors). Many stores, including Apple centers, already do this as you walk in their doors in order to identify and then monitor habitual shoplifters. Likewise, some states, including NY, equip their state troopers cars with license plate recognition/identification cameras to immediately check passing cars for violations (e.g. expired registrations). It takes just a few seconds. Florida police could do the same in order to identify sought-after criminals.

Florida police do use license plate recognition.
Every cruiser is equipped with the technology.

[SeaCros]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

Black victim. Drugs involved. Watch and learn.

WOW. I didnt see that in the news or anything like that in the story. So nice of you to make that ASSumption

[Bellavita]

Very interesting guy gets shot after he goes inside for help?

Originally Posted by dewilson58

The lack of facts 30 hours later is interesting.

Participants of the outdoor shooting is still walking around free.

Check your chamber.

[ThirdOfFive]

I see the Court of Public Opinion is in full deliberative mode…

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by SeaCros

WOW. I didnt see that in the news or anything like that in the story. So nice of you to make that ASSumption

The victim is black.........

Florida Applebee's shooting leaves man dead

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by christine J Toft

Concealed carry... And? No information saying the man shot was armed. Since when do you kill a man for putting his hand in his pocket? There may be much more to this story. A Concealed Carry is not a license to shoot at will.

No but a state Stand your Ground law is. Someone has their hand in their pocket? You can shoot them. Justification: "I thought he was reaching for his weapon, I considered it a threat to my personal safety and defended myself."

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

I think the fact that this is not a gated community is a major factor. Relative lived in Lakewood Ranch in 2 different areas. One entrance I could not enter at all. Not manned at the time so no card no entrance. The main entrance we had to stop. Our name and license plate written down. They documented who we were visiting. Only after that were we able to pass through the gate. Prior to living here, I did not realize how important a gated community can be. And wasn't Morse smart when he decided to have the roads fall under the local jurisdictions so that anyone can enter here and ride around. Not!

Applebees isn’t inside TV proper, so gate not appropriate.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by RedChariot

I think the fact that this is not a gated community is a major factor. Relative lived in Lakewood Ranch in 2 different areas. One entrance I could not enter at all. Not manned at the time so no card no entrance. The main entrance we had to stop. Our name and license plate written down. They documented who we were visiting. Only after that were we able to pass through the gate. Prior to living here, I did not realize how important a gated community can be. And wasn't Morse smart when he decided to have the roads fall under the local jurisdictions so that anyone can enter here and ride around. Not!

We also have family in Lakewood Ranch. It is more secure in many ways, but, also if you noticed, many many ways to enter without a vehicle, and a few even with a vehicle if you looked closely...it's a HUGE area there !. You might look into Del Web community, just north of the Villages. When we have visited and played golf there, there was much more security (been nearly two years so may have changed), they always stopped us, took information, etc. Villages, even "way back" never attempted to be secure, even the service people could be truck loads of anyone...not necessarily actual service or repair people. As it's grown here, of course the changes are much much greater of things happening, it's all public roads and streets but most people just visiting get the idea that it is a secured gated community...it does have gates ... after all. If you have the $$$$, there are some really secure communities in the Orlando area. Have friends whose son is a well known sports professional, it's really secure. Went to his home with his parents, you would (I think ?) feel much more secure there, but, it comes at a high cost and still is not a guarantee !