[Normal]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Are the facts out yet? Do the facts show that?

“ Inside the restaurant, authorities said an argument occurred and the victim reached into his pants. At that point, a customer with a concealed weapon permit shot Hudson, killing him, police said.

Police said the customer, who has not been publicly identified, is cooperating with their investigators. At this time, no charges have been filed. Officials said any charges will depend on the outcome of their investigation.”

He could have harmed the people inside. I’m sure the workers/patrons are grateful to the man carrying the concealed and permitted gun. It’s good all ended well.

[Taltarzac725]

We will see. There are not enough facts shown to really tell what happened.

Was he armed? Was he arguing with the shooters outside? Was the killer drunk?

The most logical explanation is that he was arguing with the people in the car or cars and came in the bar to be safe. And was reaching for a cell phone in his pocket.

Wrongful death case probably if those are the facts. If he came in to shoot the people at Applebee's then that is another matter.

Originally Posted by Normal

“ Inside the restaurant, authorities said an argument occurred and the victim reached into his pants. At that point, a customer with a concealed weapon permit shot Hudson, killing him, police said.

Police said the customer, who has not been publicly identified, is cooperating with their investigators. At this time, no charges have been filed. Officials said any charges will depend on the outcome of their investigation.”

He could have harmed the people inside. I’m sure the workers/patrons are grateful to the man carrying the concealed and permitted gun. It’s good all ended well.

[manaboutown]

The dead man does have a criminal record.

"All I could find on him was an arrest last year for domestic battery by strangulation and a request from Missouri for extradition from last January, and an arrest in Scott County Iowa. All records were sealed, but he does have a criminal record. That’s all I know of his history.

Hudson was seated at an outside patio table at the Applebee’s with a group of other people before walking out into the parking lot, where there was some sort of an altercation that involved at least three gunshots being fired before a vehicle left the scene.

After hearing the gunshots, customers still inside the restaurant fled out the back door. Hudson then walked around the building to the side door that employees use and entered the restaurant. Once inside, there was another altercation inside, during which Hudson reached into his pants. A man with a concealed weapons permit who was inside the restaurant shot Hudson, killing him."

From: More on Defensive Shooting – Area Ocho

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The dead man does have a criminal record.

"All I could find on him was an arrest last year for domestic battery by strangulation and a request from Missouri for extradition from last January, and an arrest in Scott County Iowa. All records were sealed, but he does have a criminal record. That’s all I know of his history.

Hudson was seated at an outside patio table at the Applebee’s with a group of other people before walking out into the parking lot, where there was some sort of an altercation that involved at least three gunshots being fired before a vehicle left the scene.

After hearing the gunshots, customers still inside the restaurant fled out the back door. Hudson then walked around the building to the side door that employees use and entered the restaurant. Once inside, there was another altercation inside, during which Hudson reached into his pants. A man with a concealed weapons permit who was inside the restaurant shot Hudson, killing him.

The fact that police have released the name of the man who was shot and not the man who did the shooting probably means that the shooter is not a suspect."

From: More on Defensive Shooting – Area Ocho

Whether or not this was a defensive shooting remains to be seen. What did the person killed have in his pocket? Why did he not leave with the people in the car? Probably because he was looking for somewhere he would NOT be shot.

What I see in the facts so far is criminal negligence. There is no indication that the murdered man was armed. He would have left with the people in the cars or car. They did the shooting. Or, maybe the victim had gun residue on his hands? We do not know that.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Whether or not this was a defensive shooting remains to be seen. What did the person killed have in his pocket? Why did he not leave with the people in the car? Probably because he was looking for somewhere he would NOT be shot.

There is no point in jumping to conclusions based on speculation and hypotheticals. We do not yet know what happened. All we know about Hudson at this time is that he did have a record of violent behavior including strangulation. He has sealed criminal records in both Iowa and Missouri.

[Taltarzac725]

Irrelevant.

The killed man's record has no bearing on what the man who killed him was thinking when he shot him.

Originally Posted by manaboutown

There is no point in jumping to conclusions based on hypotheticals. All we know about Hudson at this time is that he did have a record of violent behavior including strangulation. He has sealed criminal records in both Iowa and Missouri.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Irrelevant.

The killed man's record has no bearing on what the man who killed him was thinking when he shot him.

Of course it is irrelevant in a criminal trial, but past violent criminal behavior is indicative of Hudson's character.

[Normal]

Good guy with a gun, kills bad guy with a gun. Case closed!

Is there any way he can get a medal for his bravery?

At either rate, I hope we can all get a chance to say thank you to this brave citizen

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by Normal

Good guy with a gun, kills bad guy with a gun. Case closed!

Is there any way he can get a medal for his bravery?

At either rate, I hope we can all get a chance to say thank you to this brave citizen

I hope the shooter was a member of the USCCA. He may need a strong defense and will get it from USCCA ( United States Concealed Carry Association).

Just a moment...

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by B-flat

I hope the shooter was a member of the USCCA. He may need a strong defense and will get it from USCCA ( United States Concealed Carry Association).

Just a moment...

It will probably come down to a civil case of wrongful death. The facts will matter and we still do not know what those even are.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It will probably come down to a civil case of wrongful death. The facts will matter and we still do not know what those even are.

Yes, I tend to agree with you on your point. USCCA may save him some serious $$$ in the long run.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There are no facts showing that. He did not leave with the people shooting in the car or cars. Probably because they were targeting him. He came into the bar for safety i.e. to get out of the shooters' field of fire.

Or... He was the shooter and the people he was shooting at fled the scene in their car/s...

Of course, some will say there are no facts to back up my theory...

Just like there are no facts to back up your theory...

But... He did get into a fight with someone once inside the restaurant...

And THAT is when he got shot...

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

But... He did get into a fight with someone once inside the restaurant...

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I've only heard "verbal" inside Applebees, not physical fight.

Are there facts out there stating physical fight???

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I've only heard "verbal" inside Applebees, not physical fight.

Are there facts out there stating physical fight???

A "fight" can be physical or verbal...

The first article called it an "altercation"...

The 2nd one posted said he "started a fight" after he entered the restaurant "despite attempts to keep him out"

To me, that sounds "physical"...

"After the incident, several patrons escaped, employees locked the doors to the restaurant and called 911. Police allege Hudson got inside the restaurant through a side door despite attempts to keep him out. After starting a fight in the Applebee's, police say a customer who was armed shot and killed the man because Hudson allegedly reached into his pocket."

And thats the problem. So many people here are basing their "conclusions" on minimal, somewhat conflicting, information...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Hate to add facts, but given the low crime in TV, given the officers per 10,000 population..............I wonder what the is the basis for needing more officers (of other posters).




((maybe to track down all the gate breakers))

To show a fairly large presence that will deter crimes BEFORE they happen.