Yes...this is the problem

I am talking about short term; like the recent law written for Clearwater. In essence renting for LESS than 31 days. In residential districts, the city doesn’t allow a property owner to lease or rent their property for short-term periods, which is anything less than 31 days or a calendar month. Residential property owners who wish to rent their property can advertise for monthly rentals; they cannot advertise for daily or weekly rentals.

A fixed inventory of houses and an increasing number of buyers leads to higher prices, even if those buyers are wannabe landlords.

That is probably not what your deed restrictions state. (some do, but not the majority that I have looked at)

Are you sure that is how your deed restrictions read? Mine absolutely do not, mine state the owners have the right and the duty while the developers have the right but NOT the duty to enforce the deed restrictions.

All Owners shall have the right and duty to prosecute in proceedings at law or in equity against any person or persons violating or attempting to violate any covenants, conditions or reservations, either to prevent him or them from so doing, or to recover damages or any property charges for such violation. The cost of such proceedings, includiog a reasonable attorney's fee, shall be paid by the party losing said suit. In addition, the Developer shall also have the right but not the duty to enforce any such covenants, conditions or reservations as though Developer were the Owner of the Homesite, including the right to recover reasonable attorney's fees and costs. Developer may assign its right to enforce these covenants, conditions or reservations and to recover reasonable attorney's fees and costs to a person, committee, or governmental entity.

In addition, *some* deed restrictions include the highlighted statement below while mine do not:

Properties within the Subdivision are intended for residential use and no commercial, professional or similar activity requiring either maintaining an inventory, equipment or customer/client visits may be conducted in a Home or on a Homesite. Renting and leasing of Homes within the Subdivision is prohibited without the prior written consent of the Developer. Owners of Homes within the Subdivision may not transfer their rights to those recreational facilities arising from payment of the Contractual Amenities Fee to any party, except to subsequent Owners of the Home, without the prior -written consent of the Developer.

So renting is prohibited in *some* areas but not all and if there is a violation, it is the duty of the homeowner to pursue a legal remedy but NOT the duty of the developer.

Family member in a deed restricted, 55 plus, golfing community in another state just sent us (today!) a ream of information on their residents legal attempts to fight the deterioration that short term rental has done to them. For years it was scarcely noticed, then in the last 18-24 months was everywhere. No one dreamed even the houses valued at a million would ever be rented for the night ! Drinking parties, wedding receptions "guests", none of these are exaggerations. Then a tragic death of a spring break vacationer still being investigated. BUT... when it became obvious this was multiplying, not the isolated incident it was a couple years ago, they organized, got petitions, tried to work WITH the local police and county sheriff's office. Bottom line is, almost nothing can be done. Developers are just not interested in any of it, and it not really cutting into profits, despite some bad publicity, they are still selling homes, and a multitude of buyers of properties for the rental market has been brisk. Police keep trying to explain to the resident group, that there is simply nothing they can do except remove an occasional weekend party attendee, but when people complain of their drives blocked, and cars actually resting ON lawns, the police have much higher priorities. When neighbors complained of 12 people in one home, police said they have no jurisdiction for anything like that. This was a 4 BR home, and police have nothing to do with how many people, or what age, are in a house. This definitely not limited too our Villages, and it is definitely accelerating. Those heading the resident's group my relatives are in, are now working with communities all over the USA who have successfully been able to "win", extremely limited rental "rules" in their own communities to follow their steps. It is EXTREMELY expensive, VERY good attorneys needed, and all residents have to be willing to invest the money it takes to change things. Not easy !

You need to revisit Economics 101.

It is going on in cities & towns all over the United States and battle is being won by the Investors and STR owners. It's being won STR supporters, because of the money behind the battle. Restaurants, real estate people, investors, store owners ... they all win if STR's are allowed. The losers are folks that want their neighborhoods to remain "residential", but aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Wrote the book, literally, hahaha. Including intangible values etc, beyond 101….

I agree with you...but, here's the "catch 22" if you have not actually gone through the motions to exercise your right, yet. We (as a neighborhood in the general area of Lake Sumter) have not taken that step. I have relatives in another state, in a beautiful 55 golf community, who have had to take a stand... it started as isolated and has progressed to uncontrollable. The developers and the county are of NO help, the local police will help only when they have a legal right to... they can nothing to do with deed restrictions. So you are correct about each of us having a process right in our deed restriction, but if you ever have a need so threatening you need to take those steps, you will have to have a great deal of money to proceed. That's the catch-22 of all this, developers know it, real estate attorneys and agents know it, even state legislatures know it...you CAN fight, but it takes more money than most retirees have. Have you ever read one of those "lemon law" contracts when you buy a new car ? Sure it makes people feel protected, they have the "right", but, when they find out how much time, and MONEY it takes, most can't face it. Those who benefit KNOW this, car companies, credit card companies, banks, and developers !

[QUOTE=dewilson58;2207692]If property is not being taking care of..........there are covenants in place already.

I did not see ANY concentration of rentals in ANY area.........Where is your "very big problem"??


True, you probably did not SEE any concentration as you are never going to have access to the actual stats. By that I mean, you can go on line, check verbo and ab&b, and just in the "rental" section of the Daily Sun. It can deceive you. One villages employee who owns 6 now in our village (and those are certainly far from the only ones) actually bragged to our neighbor across the street that he has "never" (he says !) ever advertised any of his. Says he's set up all kinds of pipelines to various companies and other sources who are looking for single night and single week rentals for employee rewards (free golf vaca for a top person), for conferences as far away as Tampa and Orlando ! Thought a hotel night would be cheaper, but apparently not, many around $300 a night now and do not come with golf or with affordable steakhouses, I guess ! Just don't stand on what you can find as always indicative of the actual situation is all I mean by this.

The unfortunate people who have a poorly run short term rental operation close to their home aren’t really concerned about the concentration of rentals in ANY area. What they are concerned with is having the deed restrictions that are supposed to be protecting them from the situation enforced. Anyone, including yourself, who suddenly finds themselves in this situation has a “very big problem” that they didn’t ask for or bring on themselves. It only takes one near your home, no concentration necessary : (

Interesting to see differing views.
One point that is missed is that the state gets 7% of all rentals. Each county can raise additional tax. Sumter charged 2% until a couple of years ago.
I’m guessing Sumter are making enough not to need the money - probably through the Villages expanding.
I don’t see the state giving up this revenue stream. If it did where would they claw it back?
Taking the earlier response at face value, if a moderate number of the 1400 rental homes were to go on the market, house prices would presumably fall. I leave others to decide if that would be greater or smaller than the presence of renters.
Again, if true, there are areas where in the southern part of TV, there has been much speculation, based on rising house prices and rentals.
If this were to stop, where would the developer be? Would they support the stopping of rentals? Again you decide.
Interesting, there have been several past quotes regarding bad neighbours. Not snowbirds or short term renters, full time residents. It’s not what basis you are there it’s about personal behaviour. We then get into all the various threads about other forms of poor manners.
It’s great to have a moan - I know as a grumpy old man. My grandkids even bought me the tee shirt!!

You actually need to check all the other sites that offer short term rentals to get the true picture.
Another thing to consider is that these rentals are not in every neighborhood. You'll find very few million dollar homes on the golf course is being rented out. From what I'm seeing the vast majority are the smaller less than 1500 square-foot patio villas and Courtyard villas.

My suggestion would be is talk to one of the county commissioners. One thing that you could suggest to them is put it on a county referendum before the voters. I would all but guarantee if the voters who actually live here as full time voting residents had a say there would be no short term rentals.

There are 4 short term rentals within a stones throw of our house and we have never had a problem with any of them for the past 3 years that we have lived here. The landlords pay the amenity fees every month the same as a full-time resident.

Possibly the cheapest and most effective way for those in areas badly affected, would be to make up some signs, and spend a few days picnicking outside the sales offices.
If buyers (who are not buying to rent)start asking a few questions about the perceived problem, it may get someones attention.

I would start by contacting the commissioner of district 5.

That is correct! AirBNBs aren't the only rental website.

Actually I don't.

As stated, as an example.

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Not standing, gave an example.

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If you get your wish and limit or eliminate Short Term Rentals by some means of law or restriction, How would you expect to enforce it?

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Just checking if this includes The Villages Properties. It seems to me that they are doing way to many weekly rentals they call Lifestyle stays. I mean Really? These people are constantly coming and going. They definitely are not paying amenities. They get 2 free rounds of golf and choking the executive courses. Taking up space at the town squares, the restaurants, pickleball courts, swimming pools, and on and on. Plus, then a lot of them come back year after year without buying anything. Or even worse yet they Do buy something and sprawl continues. The developers told everyone there would never be anything below 466, I think we need to go back to those days.
Tear it all down.
Stop the progress.
Stop people from moving here from other states. Blue is a bad color anyway. Red is a good color like Wisconsin Bader Red.
Don't worry Be Happy. Life is to short to be worried about things we can't change.

In one section of Villas in Richmond, all are short term rentals except for 1 home!

I prefer to look at it as there are landlords providing a service to those that want to come visit our beautiful community but cannot afford to buy or want to buy. I have not seen the values go down.

To which I’d add, suing your neighbor over a “deed restriction “ would be most unpleasant and a hassle. Guess The Villages may not be the Friendliest Hometown in America after all.

How many renters turn into owners?

Clearwater fines owners 250 a day for listings. V R B O and AbNb are listed publicly. It just takes neighbors to turn someone in. The fines more than pay for any investigation services.

Why not go to the District Representatives and ask them to change the Deed Restrictions. As owners we control our Districts. They are elected to represent us. Try that route. I say a petition to your District leadership. That is how condos control rentals at the beach

Are you trying to compare official Lifestyle visits by people who PLAN to buy in TV to live that lifestyle; to short term renters using TV facilities any way they want because they’re not going to be around next week?
And, are you saying ‘we can’t change’ things that we should adopt the attitude of ‘learned helplessness’ ? Have you noticed we are not in North Korea?

Just a suggestion...Before taking a lot of time and effort to submit material before the county commissioners, call the county administrator and discuss your concerns with him. Ask him if the county commissioners have the "legal" ability to address the issue. You will get a lot of information from that simple discussion and it will guide your direction as to whether to proceed with a request to the commission and what information you need to include in your presentation to them. Good luck. You will have the best outcome if you are prepared with the facts and utilizing the county administrator's expertise is an essential step.

Bye-bye.

You can run a business from your home. Many work on-line from home.

The rules deal with things like keeping inventory and selling items from your home...

People who have side gigs (like adding/replacing lights to golf carts) have always been allowed...

I had some locks upgraded by a Villager who was a retire locksmith.

again, i must be the lone lucky person in TV. i live next to a short term rental, & i gotta say, i haven't met any negative people yet. be friendly-if something isn't right, or they are careless about the property, go ahead & introduce urself. kindly inform so&so about any concerns, & more often than not you'll have no problems. we got along so well with a family of renters, they reserved the villa for next winter! they claimed they'd not met such good people in our Village before, they decided to come back. it's that old saying about flies & honey. give it a try.

Hmmm...

Politics? Check!

I got mine, screw everyone else? Check!

Destroy your own argument with your last two sentences? Check!

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We rented for two months 2+ years ago (after visiting friends the year before). We bought during the time we were renting...

You are describing long term rentals, by responsible landlords, who are not renting out rooms in their homes while living there. That’s not what this thread is about. It’s about homeowners renting out rooms in their home by the night while they are living there simultaneously. These so called landlords are being inconsiderate and disrespectful to their neighbors.

And you have been here how long ??

Just a question- did you ever rent prior to buying? I’m guessing 80% or more do.
We did for years!!!!! You cannot control what has been going on for years!!!! and adds so much money to the community as well. I understand the AIRBNB is a bit out of hand but that’s up to the family to change- correct?