[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Does anybody believe the side striping will affect any of the accident numbers presented?

For twenty cents, I'd like to find out. Heck, let's make it a dollar and try 4 more ideas out.

[memason]

Just for moment, lets assume there is NO COST to Villagers for any sort of markings on the MMP's.

Therefore, could someone make an argument for why we should not make these paths more visible and potentially safer for nighttime travel ?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by memason

Just for moment, lets assume there is NO COST to Villagers for any sort of markings on the MMP's.

Therefore, could someone make an argument for why we should not make these paths more visible and potentially safer for nighttime travel ?

Mike. I don't think that would change the safety level. WE have to self police. If our night vision isn't good, don't drive at night.


I have not driven my golf cart during high season since we moved here. The nutty driving made me feel safer in a car.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Mike. I don't think that would change the safety level. WE have to self police. If our night vision isn't good, don't drive at night.


I have not driven my golf cart during high season since we moved here. The nutty driving made me feel safer in a car.

It almost sounds like you're saying life isn't perfect in TV?

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by memason

Just for moment, lets assume there is NO COST to Villagers for any sort of markings on the MMP's.

Therefore, could someone make an argument for why we should not make these paths more visible and potentially safer for nighttime travel ?

That argument has been made multiple times. As a runner and bicycle rider, I can clearly recognize the added hazard to me by stiping the sides.

[skip0358]

For what it's worth here my thoughts.I use my cart 100% of the time in TV and drive a lot after dark. For the small cost district wide I don't think it would hurt on the MM paths to have stripping. There are some areas that are very dark at night. In 2013 Yamaha changed their windshields to a darker tint which reduced your night visibility. If you don't think so stick your head outside at night to see the difference. It did help in the sunlight though. Also a few years back TV started adding lights in the Tunnels, WHY was some questions asked, guess what it made a big difference. I do agree Project wide a decision should have been made so ALL districts had the same stripping.I would have liked the White reflective on the sides and Yellow reflective where there are Islands in the middle.Why do we need mirrors entering & leaving the tunnels? Why were the stop signs in the tunnels changed? Why did they put speed bumps in the tunnels? Why was the lead edge of the sidewalk going over the Sumter bridge cut back ? Why were the side edges of the wooden bridge raised by the Morse gate n/o 466 ? Why was a wooden bridge added to get to the mail station on Morse Blvd N/O 466.
Because they tried to make things a little safer !

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

That argument has been made multiple times. As a runner and bicycle rider, I can clearly recognize the added hazard to me by stiping the sides.

How about a dashed stripe down the middle like in CDD4? Have you run up there to see how the traffic responds to you? If you have, are there any differences you could share?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by tomwed

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My idea is simply to add stripes in one district and see if it improves safety.
If it does not work than the other districts share the expense of the experiment.
If it does improve safety, less accidents, the other districts adopt the solution. i.e. Stripes
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There are now stripes in District 4 - why not use that as your 'test district'? - Because the Supvs in Dist 8 don't want to wait and find out.

Bigger question - how dangerous was the path thru District 4 before the striping?

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by skip0358

For what it's worth here my thoughts.I use my cart 100% of the time in TV and drive a lot after dark. For the small cost district wide I don't think it would hurt on the MM paths to have stripping. There are some areas that are very dark at night. In 2013 Yamaha changed their windshields to a darker tint which reduced your night visibility. If you don't think so stick your head outside at night to see the difference. It did help in the sunlight though. Also a few years back TV started adding lights in the Tunnels, WHY was some questions asked, guess what it made a big difference. I do agree Project wide a decision should have been made so ALL districts had the same stripping.I would have liked the White reflective on the sides and Yellow reflective where there are Islands in the middle.Why do we need mirrors entering & leaving the tunnels? Why were the stop signs in the tunnels changed? Why did they put speed bumps in the tunnels? Why was the lead edge of the sidewalk going over the Sumter bridge cut back ? Why were the side edges of the wooden bridge raised by the Morse gate n/o 466 ? Why was a wooden bridge added to get to the mail station on Morse Blvd N/O 466.
Because they tried to make things a little safer !

Agree to the point that when things make sense then the investment should be made. When they don't make sense they should be avoided. Because you find it difficult to drive at night doesn't mean we all do. The aesthetics of the MMP will be changed and not for the better. They are not cart paths, they are multi-modal paths and runners, walkers, bikes all share and I suspect adding stripping may increase their vulnerability.

[skip0358]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Agree to the point that when things make sense then the investment should be made. When they don't make sense they should be avoided. Because you find it difficult to drive at night doesn't mean we all do. The aesthetics of the MMP will be changed and not for the better. They are not cart paths, they are multi-modal paths and runners, walkers, bikes all share and I suspect adding stripping may increase their vulnerability.

Not going to argue but I do ride a bike, don't walk or run but how would side stripping increase their vulnerability? They don't run at night. As for night visibility the reflective paint would just show up better when hit with headlights just like on the Highway. If it's decided NOT to do it so be it. If it's done then so be it. Not my decision
.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by skip0358

Not going to argue but I do ride a bike, don't walk or run but how would side stripping increase their vulnerability? They don't run at night. As for night visibility the reflective paint would just show up better when hit with headlights just like on the Highway. If it's decided NOT to do it so be it. If it's done then so be it. Not my decision
.

Kinda agree but I have seen bikers and runners after sunset but not many.. The concern expressed by other bikers and runners is that if the paths were striped there would be carters that would try and stay in their lane. I'm neither a biker or runner so can't speak from experience, only what was expressed. I'm not a fan of striping as you probably assumed but like you, not much I can do, not our decision.

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by skip0358

For what it's worth here my thoughts.I use my cart 100% of the time in TV and drive a lot after dark. For the small cost district wide I don't think it would hurt on the MM paths to have stripping. There are some areas that are very dark at night. In 2013 Yamaha changed their windshields to a darker tint which reduced your night visibility. If you don't think so stick your head outside at night to see the difference. It did help in the sunlight though. Also a few years back TV started adding lights in the Tunnels, WHY was some questions asked, guess what it made a big difference. I do agree Project wide a decision should have been made so ALL districts had the same stripping.I would have liked the White reflective on the sides and Yellow reflective where there are Islands in the middle.Why do we need mirrors entering & leaving the tunnels? Why were the stop signs in the tunnels changed? Why did they put speed bumps in the tunnels? Why was the lead edge of the sidewalk going over the Sumter bridge cut back ? Why were the side edges of the wooden bridge raised by the Morse gate n/o 466 ? Why was a wooden bridge added to get to the mail station on Morse Blvd N/O 466.
Because they tried to make things a little safer !

Thanks for explaining what I have been thinking.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by outlaw

How about a dashed stripe down the middle like in CDD4? Have you run up there to see how the traffic responds to you? If you have, are there any differences you could share?

I have not. But I am curious to know if drivers tend to give more clearance when passing because they are driven to fully change lanes, or if there is a tendency to squeeze by because they feel they should stay in their lane.

I can tell you that I feel quite safe around 99% of us who operate our vehicles safely and understand that the paths are shared by everyone.

[OCsun]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Mike. I don't think that would change the safety level. WE have to self police. If our night vision isn't good, don't drive at night.


I have not driven my golf cart during high season since we moved here. The nutty driving made me feel safer in a car.

A big reason I moved to The Villages, is that it is a golf cart community.
I can see just fine according to my doctor and I drive within the speed limit alcohol free.

Guess what! They have made many improvements to help make us feel safer when we are carting and I really appreciate it. However, some new areas which are not lighted or properly marked can be a strain at times, such as the paths leading to Brownwood.

Can I drive just fine without the strips? Yes! Would it be easier for me to see and add to the enjoyment of my ride? Absolutely!

Sorry to call you out, but I do police my own abilities and nobody has the right to imply that people should stay home if they can't see at night. You are making an unfounded judgement. If improvements can be made to make our cart paths more enjoyable then we should do it.

[festusrules]

just curious, do you drive the cart paths at night?