[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

This "discusdion" started many months ago. Timing has it that the meetings are occuring in the summer. The snowbird owners can certainly participate by contacting their district representative. TOTV works outside the bubble....

Timing can be rearranged. Bare makes a good point.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by rhodeislander

There have only been 3 incidents per year on the paths at night and there were various causes. Most accidents happen during the day and on the roads or parking lots not paths.

I saw someone slip getting out of a sand trap yesterday. Lets add a ladder to each and put in a safety rail around the traps. It will only cost $2.00 per household. Good grief!

The consulting engineer said no! If you can't see at night don't drive or at least slow down.

And if a horrendous downpour comes out of nowhere while you're driving home at night and you can't see the path in the wet pitch dark, well then... so sad, too bad.

We've all been in situations where it was raining so hard we couldn't see out our car windshields even with the wipers going full bore. We didn't choose to go out in that weather, it just happened. There have been times when all I could see in the rain were the side and center lines. And pulling over in that situation is dangerous if those behind you can't see either.

A few reflectors or stripes thrown in here and there should have been built into the design to begin with when driving after dark became permitted. Not saying complete middle and side striping needs to be done, but something should be done. Three after-dark accidents a year is enough.

My take of what the consulting engineer said was not so much about safety as it was about not wanting carters to become more possessive of the paths over cyclers and joggers.

There has to be a compromise between enhancing safety and satisfying those who don't want to spend any money.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Timing can be rearranged. Bare makes a good point.

I guess I should ask if you attended the 7/6 meeting? I did. I got the distinct impression that taking no action was not an option. Yes timing is everything. For all you know the support for striping could be greater if all the snowbirds were here. It was a snowbird that first made me aware of this issue.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I guess I should ask if you attended the 7/6 meeting? I did. I got the distinct impression that taking no action was not an option. Yes timing is everything. For all you know the support for striping could be greater if all the snowbirds were here. It was a snowbird that first made me aware of this issue.

I did not attend the meeting. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other over the striping or the cost involved. If it happens, fine; if it doesn't, I would hope for some compromise. But for such a large amount of money, it seems to me that this decision should be put off until the snowbird owners are back. With appropriate communication as to the reason for delaying the decision, I can't see anyone having a large objection.

[bagboy]

We traveled on the MMP along 466A from Buena Vista east towards Morse Blvd today. There are several splits in the path with a median in the center. I was thinking about the side striping, and my thought was had there been this striping along the MMP in this area, golf cart drivers would "own" the lane and walkers, joggers, and bikers alike be darned. And by the way, the skies opened before we reached Morse Blvd, visibility was what you might expect, I slowed down...and arrived safely to our destination.
During downpours and at night, if you aren't able to see to drive safely, no color of any type of stripe is going to help you. IMO, this isn't about safety for you and I, it is about district supervisors seeing just how far they can go with spending OUR money. This won't be the last "oh we know what's best for fellow Villagers " incident from these supervisors. Pay attention to those in favor of wreckless spending and watch what they want to spend money on next.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by bagboy

We traveled on the MMP along 466A from Buena Vista east towards Morse Blvd today. There are several splits in the path with a median in the center. I was thinking about the side striping, and my thought was had there been this striping along the MMP in this area, golf cart drivers would "own" the lane and walkers, joggers, and bikers alike be darned. And by the way, the skies opened before we reached Morse Blvd, visibility was what you might expect, I slowed down...and arrived safely to our destination.
During downpours and at night, if you aren't able to see to drive safely, no color of any type of stripe is going to help you. IMO, this isn't about safety for you and I, it is about district supervisors seeing just how far they can go with spending OUR money. This won't be the last "oh we know what's best for fellow Villagers " incident from these supervisors. Pay attention to those in favor of wreckless spending and watch what they want to spend money on next.

Doubt seriously they're just trying to spend our money. I think they're honestly trying to do what the people wanted at the time.

If striping would make no difference in visibility, you wouldn't see it on roads and highways.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by bagboy

We traveled on the MMP along 466A from Buena Vista east towards Morse Blvd today. There are several splits in the path with a median in the center. I was thinking about the side striping, and my thought was had there been this striping along the MMP in this area, golf cart drivers would "own" the lane and walkers, joggers, and bikers alike be darned. And by the way, the skies opened before we reached Morse Blvd, visibility was what you might expect, I slowed down...and arrived safely to our destination.
During downpours and at night, if you aren't able to see to drive safely, no color of any type of stripe is going to help you. IMO, this isn't about safety for you and I, it is about district supervisors seeing just how far they can go with spending OUR money. This won't be the last "oh we know what's best for fellow Villagers " incident from these supervisors. Pay attention to those in favor of wreckless spending and watch what they want to spend money on next.

I can see it now. The district reps sitting in a back room smoking some cubans, saying, "let's see how we can screw the residents out of a $1.00 per year. Let's put stipes on the multi modal paths. That will show em who's incharge. We will make it safer for them! That will screw them!!!"

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by CFrance

...If striping would make no difference in visibility, you wouldn't see it on roads and highways.

Bingo.

[Kevin and Luci]

I have read a majority of the post on this topic. I don't have facts to support this, but don't we have more miles of neighborhood roads than paths? Will those all be striped as well? How will people find their way once they get off the paths?? Again this is a waste of our money.

That is all

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Kevin and Luci

I have read a majority of the post on this topic. I don't have facts to support this, but don't we have more miles of neighborhood roads than paths? Will those all be striped as well? How will people find their way once they get off the paths?? Again this is a waste of our money...

All but local streets are already striped.

That aside, let's just put auto-quality headlights on all golf carts. Then your comparison might make some sense.

[Kevin and Luci]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

All but local streets are already striped.

That aside, let's just put auto-quality headlights on all golf carts. Then your comparison might make some sense.

Don't we drive our carts on local streets? I believe we do. I don't recall many streets we can take our carts on that are striped..... But agree better headlights properly adjusted would be great as well. Something I would do if I had trouble seeing the path. Not burden others with my personal issues.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Kevin and Luci

...Something I would do if I had trouble seeing the path. Not burden others with my personal issues.

There are areas on the paths where visibility is not very good. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "personal issues".

[looneycat]

the most retarded part of this thread are all the people who can claim, with a 'straight face', that striping won't improve visibility at night....I guess they have never driven any unlit highways at night....come on say it is not so, I will be laughing at your claims.

[Kevin and Luci]

Sounds like this subject is a done deal anyway...... Let's focus on installing netting enclosures along all paths the run through or along the courses. We need to keep everyone safe, right? I'm sure for the cost of one meal out we can make it happen.

[Polar Bear]

(The sarcasm is growing weaker and weaker in this thread.)

Honest question...is this a "done deal" yet? And if so, are edge stripes planned for all paths? Or just selected areas?