[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I could refute your erroneous conclusions, but Bill already did a good job of that.

right.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

right.

Agreed

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If you knew me you would have no need to ask that question.

Thank you for that piece of advice. Rest assured I will put it to appropriate use.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Well, I can see your point, but if you really are going to be only going 10 miles, it makes more sense to take a couple of breaths, do the analysis, and be safe, then to get upset, and try to weave around the clowns.

Also, I-75 has enough lanes that the clowns should not be blocking all of the lanes, or even more than the far right lane, however, on an MMP, the "clown" only has one lane, and should not be expected to drive over the speed limit in order to appease the impatient cart driver who wants to do 22 or 23 on the straights, and 20 on the curves where one may come up suddenly on a walker or a slow moving bicycle.

And it was the situation on the MMP that I was addressing.
So there is that.

I've made a suggestion (multiple times) of what they can do to alleviate their annoyance to others. I never included having them "exceed the speed limit" as a solution...

Oh, and I like your added "what if" at the end... Nice attempt at changing the subject... BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Laker14

We were examining the reactions we have following someone who is going slower than we might like, but still behaving quite reasonably, when GE switched the scenario to someone behaving quite unreasonably.
that is an example of a classic "straw man" argument: attempting to refute one argument with an argument different from the one under discussion.

I agree... That is exactly what you are attempting to do...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

So you have never traveled on Hillsborough.

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

That would deem 90% of the post's on ToTV pointless... Including plenty of yours...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

. BTW, "20 on the curves" has been deemed to be safe by the powers that be in TV...

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

In the US? In a retirement community? Unlikely that anything is set expecting peak performance and perfect conditions. The lowest common denominator is the usual target.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

At sometime or other I probably have, but I am not familiar with that particular path. Just trying to share a possible answer to what you experienced. If it doesn't match, no harm done.
But what about the rest of what I said? Frustration as opposed to physical pain. And the possibility of changing your mindset so you avoid unnecessary frustration over things you can't change.

God may grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change but he doesn't blind me to them. Annoying is annoying whether explainable or not.

Excruciating and painful have usages beyond just physical sensations. Others seem to have understood what I was trying to convey.

Thank you for your concern over my mindset but I'm good.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

In the US? In a retirement community? Unlikely that anything is set expecting peak performance and perfect conditions. The lowest common denominator is the usual target.

How right you are. But, speed limits are generally set to what is deemed safe when fit driver is operating a safe and properly maintained vehicle on a clear, dry roadway under clear, blue skies. Maximum speed under optimum conditions. Less than optimum, drivers are supposed to adjust accordingly.
I wasn't there and don't know the specifics of the circumstances. But, assuming the road was in good shape, dry. Weather was good, sunny and clear with good visibility. And, driver was fit with no problems or distractions (illness, injury, mental conditions such as frustration, anxiety, anger). All in order then 20mph is probably OK. But, if anything is less than ideal, revise speed down.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Probably. But, imHo, I would think that be when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny.

Again, your argument is to change/limit the parameters...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Again, your argument is to change/limit the parameters...

I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I don't understand what you mean by changing parameters. My main thought is to let all those fuming about other drivers causing them such anger and agony over their not driving as one might like that it isn't worth getting upset over. Folks are fretting over things they can't control. You can't dictate how others must drive. BUT, you can control how you deal with the situation. You can get mad that the world doesn't cater to your whims and let it ruin your day, or you can take a "chill-pill" and relax, knowing you will get to your destination a few minutes later than you might have.

"when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny."

No one was talking about the weather, nor the driver's/vehicle's "peak condition"...

That is changing the parameters of the argument...

Of course, if it's raining, you slow down. No one argued otherwise...

Of course if your brakes don't work, you get off the road. Again, not the argument...

And, as far as "taking a chill pill" goes, that pill works for you, as well...

If you see someone trying to pass you (safely, of course, lest you bring another variable into the equation), let them pass you. Slow down for the few seconds it takes to let them pass. Don't be a d!ck...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"when both the driver and vehicle are operating at peak condition and weather is clear and sunny."

No one was talking about the weather, nor the driver's/vehicle's "peak condition"...

That is changing the parameters of the argument...

Of course, if it's raining, you slow down. No one argued otherwise...

Of course if your brakes don't work, you get off the road. Again, not the argument...

And, as far as "taking a chill pill" goes, that pill works for you, as well...

If you see someone trying to pass you (safely, of course, lest you bring another variable into the equation), let them pass you. Slow down for the few seconds it takes to let them pass. Don't be a d!ck...

I prefer Richard, if you don't mind.