[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

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And while all that would appear to be true and make sense, statistically, according to multiple law enforcement and insurance industry sites, it is the SLOW drivers that cause more accidents than so-called speeders.

Both driving too slow and speeding can cause accidents. However, statistics show that speeding causes far more fatal accidents. Given a choice to be seated beside a slow driver, or someone who consistently speeds, I will always choose the slow driver. I will listen to some good tunes, have a great conversation, chill, and relax. Seated beside a speeder, bracing myself with my heart pounding out of my chest, while praying to God that I arrive safely, is not my idea of fun.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We have a neighbor who drives her golf cart between 8-12mph. She just flat out refuses to drive faster than that. She drives 8mph over the golf cart bridge. Anyone who's ever gone over the Spanish Springs golf cart bridge knows how crazy insane and dangerous that is. If someone is coming up behind them, expecting to be able to get the momentum to get to the top, they're probably going around 12-15mph. If they have to put their foot on the brake halfway up, it's possible they'll start rolling BACK - into whoever is trying to get momentum behind them.

One of our golf carts had trouble with torque and horsepower. If I started out slow on my way up that bridge, it wouldn't make it to the top. By the time I get to the top - if I started at 12-15, I'd be at around 7ish. If that neighbor was in front of me, and I had to start up the hill only going 8mph behind her - I'd start rolling back around halfway up.

I've since learned my lesson - if I end up behind her on the way to the bridge from either side, I'll just pull over until I see her disappear down the other side. And then I'll go back to the path and drive up the bridge as usual. Since I know where she lives - I also know that if I'm stuck behind her, I'll just go down Vermont to Jason and up around the tower to get home, instead of following behind her the whole way. It's a very indirect detour but I still get home faster than she does - and my cart only goes 20mph.

[AMB444]

When two vessels are meeting the more maneuverable vessel (ie: car) must almost always yield to the less maneuverable (ie: golf cart). Oh wait....maybe that only applies to boats.

Anyway, I err on the side of caution and approach the carts like they are random toddlers without supervision. I'd rather be wrong than run into them.

[Normal]

The 20 MPH is the MAXIMUM speed permitted. If you travel faster than that, you have passed the maximum threshold and you are the problem. Going slower isn’t breaking the law if it’s within reason. Localities can also dictate minimum speeds for use of their paths and roadways.

Using Google somewhat helps with calculating minimum speed limits. Most states have minimum speed limits set at between 40 and 50 MPH on interstates. The maximums on these roadways/interstates are between 70 to 75 MPH. This indicates about a 20% reduction in acceptable MAXIMUM speed tolerances for minimum speeds. I would think 16 - 20MPH is a fairly tolerable margin for operating their golf carts in. Perhaps 15 MPH should be used for simplification and rounding.

The real issue is should golf carts be even permitted to pass other golf carts? Just changing some lane marker colors to yellow and making them solid or dashed would change a lot of things and make roadways safer.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by AMB444

When two vessels are meeting the more maneuverable vessel (ie: car) must almost always yield to the less maneuverable (ie: golf cart). Oh wait....maybe that only applies to boats.

Anyway, I err on the side of caution and approach the carts like they are random toddlers without supervision. I'd rather be wrong than run into them.

Please don't do that. We have signs on our MMPs whenever they merge into normal roads that instruct us to yield to car traffic. We are waiting for YOU. Any cart that doesn't wait - is just someone who either isn't paying attention or thinks they're special because someone like you keeps letting them go through.

People need to follow the instructions and take their turn. If you have the right of way - take it. If you don't have a stop sign, and I do have one, then don't stop. Otherwise you're disrupting the entire flow of traffic. And annoying the crap out of me, because why the heck did I just obey the law and do what I'm supposed to do, if you're just gonna wreck the moment and stop and wait for me, even though I'm the one who's supposed to be stopping?

IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THEN TAKE IT.

That is the rule of the road.

[Gn'Me]

I get the 20 mph limit, but those driving at that speed or slower are often tedious to drive behind. Constantly hitting the brakes for no apparent reason, can't negotiate gates and crossings or find the gas peddle when the the light changes. When they finally manage to crawl up to 20mph, it's on a long straight away. Don't tailgate them too close....they'll show you and go even slower.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No, the problem is the slow drivers

The problem is a lack of patience and an over developed sense of entitlement.
If you are behind another vehicle, maintain a proper space cushion and WAIT until they turn off , or you can safely pass. It won't be long.
Easy, peasy.
And have a nice, safe, and courteous day.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

"If a golf cart is driving at 20 mph" it is not a slow cart and therefore not the problem we are discussing. The issue is the problems caused by carts going 10,12,14 ish

Carts supplied for lifestyle visits…fall in the category of 12-14ish. Sadly they don’t understand, why as they are passed

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Davonu

“…If you are driving in the left lane and there is a line of cars behind you and nothing in front of you, you are the problem.”



Your b s! is b s!

Left lane driving and blocking traffic all the time IS a problem.

It is also illegal in Florida and should be ticketed more often.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You have no idea what 8s going on in that car. May be looking for an address, driveway, etc. What is preventing your passing (safely). You should be aware 9g what is happening around you and be able to plan your moves/maneuver well ahead of time and never get stuck for long.

I don't care what is going on in the car. All I care to know is that it is blocking traffic in the left lane.

What is preventing my passing safely? The fact that the car is driving slowly in the left lane. Very rarely have a seen a dashed-line passing zone on a multiple-lane highway. If there is a left lane then that *is* the passing lane.

Yes, of course there are driveways and left turns to prepare for. If the car was blocking the lane for 1/4 mile or so there would be no problem. But driving in the left lane of Morse South at Hillsborough is not preparing for a left into Osceola Hills 1.5 miles away.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I don't care what is going on in the car. All I care to know is that it is blocking traffic in the left lane.

What is preventing my passing safely? The fact that the car is driving slowly in the left lane. Very rarely have a seen a dashed-line passing zone on a multiple-lane highway. If there is a left lane then that *is* the passing lane.

Yes, of course there are driveways and left turns to prepare for. If the car was blocking the lane for 1/4 mile or so there would be no problem. But driving in the left lane of Morse South at Hillsborough is not preparing for a left into Osceola Hills 1.5 miles away.

The only vehicle that you have any control over is the one you are driving. Getting angry and frustrated at other drivers who don't know who you are or care about what you want, is an exercise in futility. Calm down, slow down, drive safely.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

"If a golf cart is driving at 20 mph" it is not a slow cart and therefore not the problem we are discussing. The issue is the problems caused by carts going 10,12,14 ish

GE what about the idiots going 30 mph and almost hitting someone head on, I see it both ways as you said this is a different beast and when you are a pedestrian or a bicyclist it is more dangerous if you veer next to them as they are passing Ughh

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The only vehicle that you have any control over is the one you are driving. Getting angry and frustrated at other drivers who don't know who you are or care about what you want, is an exercise in futility. Calm down, slow down, drive safely.

Who wrote anything about angry or frustrated at other drivers who don't know me?

My frustration is at ignorance or entitlement of the driver. Nothing can be done about it at the time but perhaps discussions like these will help someone recognize they are in the wrong.

Slow down? That seems somewhat counterproductive, doesn't it?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The problem is a lack of patience and an over developed sense of entitlement.
If you are behind another vehicle, maintain a proper space cushion and WAIT until they turn off , or you can safely pass. It won't be long.
Easy, peasy.
And have a nice, safe, and courteous day.

no, THE PROBLEM is the slow driver. If someone is "impatient", it is BECAUSE OF THE SLOW DRIVER.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

GE what about the idiots going 30 mph and almost hitting someone head on, I see it both ways as you said this is a different beast and when you are a pedestrian or a bicyclist it is more dangerous if you veer next to them as they are passing Ughh

Well, obviously 30 is ridiculous. All I was stating is that 20 is not the slow carts that I was referring to. (and yes, that sentence was grammatically atrocious)