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coffeebean 08-29-2020 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Smothers (Post 1824612)
I know of no church that sells the little white crosses. They are made by individuals and given away free of charge; donations accepted. Nor do they have anything to do with “death” (Velvet). If you care to hear the facts, here is a link to the true story behind the White Cross Movement: White crosses spread through yards with help from Lancaster couple - News - The Columbus Dispatch - Columbus, OH
Fact-checked by Snopes Frankenmuth Crosses and others.

I was unaware there was a "movement". Another reason to nix those little white crosses.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1824472)
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hmmm, was thinkin' about this one. I believe most of us in TV have the postlight out front of our homes. You know the thick vertical tube with the horizontal little pipe across, and just under the light. Many people have their name/number signs on it.

OK, that all said. What if - IF. A homeowner mounts a white cross on the INSIDE portion of this post so the vertical aligns right with the post and the horiz aligns with the cross pipe. Really not seen from the street. But the homewner can see it from their house, and any visitors leaving. hmmm - would that be a violation???

Or, better yet - what if the lamp posts are brown, and the homeowner paints, in white, the portion of the posts and crossmember to depict a cross? The paint is approved color - the homeowner just did not finish the job. A white cross is there.

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That sort of overthinks the subject. I liked the post about the crosses keeping away the vampires. But, they do attract trolls and "do good-ers". I wonder which is worse vampires or trolls and the do good-ers? Help me out! I won't be able to sleep tonight - pondering this great philosophical dilemma.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824651)
The crosses in my neighborhood were here when we started looking for houses to buy in this neighborhood last September. The virus hadn't arrived yet. They are a religious symbol, which again - is offensive to me, but isn't a big enough deal to DO anything about it. I moved to this part of the Villages, partly, because of fewer restrictions. I'll take the good with the bad, it's that wiggle-room for creative expression that I appreciate. Even if I don't like the white crosses. It's just a matter of taste. Like the house with the toilet seat in his driveway and a ridiculous hand-written sign on it that says "[political candidate's] world" on it, implying that the political candidate's world is down the toilet.

Tacky and ridiculous, but that says more about the neighbor than it does about the neighborhood.

That toilet is allowed in your neighborhood? It is not violating any restrictions?

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by quietpine (Post 1824668)
I read that the white cross originated in Wisconsin as a protest. Yes folks, the people who display those crosses are protestors! You know, like the people protesting police shootings of unarmed black men.

What were those people protesting?

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-29-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1824815)
Some folks should look up the term "Judeo Christian" and see how it is used in the statement that was made. I don't know where some folks went to Bible school, but Christianity NEVER "bypassed" the old Testament. I sincerely hope that my intent to correct a misconception was not "offensive."

The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died for the sins of man. Jesus's "way" replaced that of the Old Testament. All the laws and rules and regulations and stipulations of the Old Testament were no longer necessary, and the NEW Way was the Way.

It eliminated the laws of Kosher. You no longer had to stone your son to death in the town square if your son disrespected his mother. You no longer had to reject pork. You no longer had to isolate yourself from civilization if you were menstruating. You were no longer required to cover your hair if you were a married woman.

All of these rules - were no longer valid. And all of those rules were rules of the Old Testament. The New Testament said, basically, "hey y'know all that stuff we said you had to do before? Fuggedaboudit."

Even the term itself - "Christianity" didn't exist until after Jesus was already dead. The New Testament essentially retcons the old Testament, says "yeah that old stuff is just fairy tales - read this instead. Pretend I'm Bill Maher and these are the NEW RULES."

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1824684)
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You hit the nail on the head. I’m really surprised that a small, white cross outside of a neighbor’s home can offend folk.

It is not the white cross but the MEANING of the white cross. THAT is what offends me. Get it?

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1824693)
Are your delicate sensibilities also offended when you spot a crucifix around a person’s neck?

Actually, yes. No need to profess your religion as a badge of honor for all the world to see. Just not necessary. As a kid I would not wear that cross around my neck. Just was not going to do it. My parents understood. They never wore one either.

coffeebean 08-29-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dburesh (Post 1824817)
We got a call from Community Standards to take our cross down!

That was complaint driven. That's why I'm thinking the diminished numbers of little white crosses in our neck of the woods is because people are complaining about them

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1824534)
They are essentially gang signs to show the world what gang you belong to. It’s like tagging is in urban areas.

That's funny! And good thinking outside the box. Kudos!

NoVa_Jim 08-29-2020 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountie48 (Post 1824629)
At least those who put crosses in their front yards across the nation are not the ones rioting and looting in all those cities.

They are also likely not doing much to address the tragic state of race relations in our country, which the Guy who is remembered by the cross would certainly wish for them to do.

Velvet 08-29-2020 12:40 PM

My impression was that it was so difficult to follow all the rules of the Old Testament that many people failed. And the Creator provided alternative ways, which is the Creator’s prerogative, so that more people would be successful. Not to negate, but to add.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jonathanb (Post 1824543)
The cross is foolishness to those that are perishing but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

That is the perfect example of both anthropological stone-age tribalism and the modern-day carry-over into the creation of wedge issues that cause social disruption and chaos. Maybe religion is the conduit between the 2? If religion can possibly cause disruption, then is that the basis for all government attempts to "separate church and state"? Is it reasonable that the state is THREATENED by the POWER of the church? Is ANY church easily corrupted as exemplified by recent Jerry Falwell Jr. news and Catholic Priests and young boys? Is ANY church MORE vulnerable to corruption than any government organization? Or are they equally corruptable?

Velvet 08-29-2020 12:56 PM

Amazing and thoughtful thread, thank you to many people’s contributions. I am learning as we go along.

Byte1 08-29-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1824881)
The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died for the sins of man. Jesus's "way" replaced that of the Old Testament. All the laws and rules and regulations and stipulations of the Old Testament were no longer necessary, and the NEW Way was the Way.

It eliminated the laws of Kosher. You no longer had to stone your son to death in the town square if your son disrespected his mother. You no longer had to reject pork. You no longer had to isolate yourself from civilization if you were menstruating. You were no longer required to cover your hair if you were a married woman.

All of these rules - were no longer valid. And all of those rules were rules of the Old Testament. The New Testament said, basically, "hey y'know all that stuff we said you had to do before? Fuggedaboudit."

Even the term itself - "Christianity" didn't exist until after Jesus was already dead. The New Testament essentially retcons the old Testament, says "yeah that old stuff is just fairy tales - read this instead. Pretend I'm Bill Maher and these are the NEW RULES."

You must have misunderstood what I said. Apologies. The post that you commented on referred to our country being founded on Judeo-Christian principles, or whatever the exact wording might have been. And when someone suggests that the Old Testament was skipped by Christians, it shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

jimjamuser 08-29-2020 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1824548)
Back up north especially in Italian sections we have those that put out statues of Mary. In fact there is some that believe you have to bury a statue of Mary in your lawn for good luck. I would just like to remind people Ed Moses spend 40 years in the desert and lost a good percentage of Jews because they prayed 2 Pagan statues IE the golden calf. The cross comes very close to the same thing. When I came down here 15 years ago I was truly amazed and how many people went to church and prayed every Sunday as well as went to Bible study one or two days a week. I am really blessed with many good friends that are religious and truly truly good people. In my own family I have those are Jewish oh, those that are Christian scientists, those that are Christian does that are Protestant and a few that believe in Oriental religions as well because they are from Japan. I hold no grudge against anyone due to their religious beliefs but please keep in mind as someone said above if you're going to put out your cross, be ready for ritual Slaughter of lambs and annual spring rites I Pagan's

When you take the cross out of your house and plant it in your front yard for passing cars to see, ask yourself the question,"Where do you go, when you've gone TOO far?"


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