[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Remember when the officials declared that they would pay for the damage from the tree cutting incident using funds from districts south of 466? Remember when the officials announced that they were going to pay to repair the Morse bridge using district funds? Remember that they are acting in your best interest.

Consider the source. Again.


I hate rumors, half truths, lies and pot stirring and it doesn't do anyone living here any good.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Yep, it is true I was informed that the The District Manager for The Villages does NOT live in The Villages. Now lets take that a step further. Who put her there. Did the residents vote her in with a majority vote. NO. She was appointed through a series of steps that avoided residents approval and allegedly allowed the Developer to put her in charge of the Villages.. Now I ask you where will her loyalty allegedly be. With the residents who she does not need or the Developer who she owes her job to? Who do you think is really watching out for YOUR interest an appointment of the Developer or the POA who was established and is dedicated to only representing the residents. I am shocked to find out that the person in charge of all of our policies, rule, funding, and allegedly influence Daily Sun, VHA, etc.etc. does not even live in the community. All POA Board members live and reside in The Villages. As an aside I heard some of the Supervisors who vote for the rules also allegedly do not reside in The Villages.

What a reach.


One argument has been lost and now attacks on an excellent administrator.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

I agree. Time to start a new group. I hope it will have a lot of folks from south of 466.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Consider the source. Again.


I hate rumors, half truths, lies and pot stirring and it doesn't do anyone living here any good.

Well, bless your heart.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Well, bless your heart.

Thank you. You Southern?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I agree. Time to start a new group. I hope it will have a lot of folks from south of 466.

"I cannot change my obsession with this place nor do I want to, but I can remember that I was brought up better than I acted yesterday.

I was rude to a person for no good reason and I apologize to her for how I acted.

I will try to do better." Just sayin'.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by outlaw

"I cannot change my obsession with this place nor do I want to, but I can remember that I was brought up better than I acted yesterday.

I was rude to a person for no good reason and I apologize to her for how I acted.

I will try to do better." Just sayin'.

I know you will. I love this place too, outlaw.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Remember when the officials declared that they would pay for the damage from the tree cutting incident using funds from districts south of 466? Remember when the officials announced that they were going to pay to repair the Morse bridge using district funds? Remember that they are acting in your best interest.

And the beat goes on.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Please help me out. I had heard that the District Manager did not live in The Village's and also some of the Supervisors do not live in The Villages. Could that be true? Could there actually be people outside of The Villages and not residents
making policy and setting up rules that they do not have to abide by. Now how
would that happen. What system would allow non residents to run a Town or City without living in that location? How could they be elected to those posts? Are these really appointments using outside people? Can anyone give me some help on this?

Oh my. More than help is needed.

[Vladimir]

I shudder at the thought of having residents run, administer or set policy for this place. One of the selling points for me buying here is that the developer and professional managers manage TV and this place is quite a success story. This business model and system works pretty well, minor flaws and all. Know what you are buying into before buying.

[manaboutown]

In Orange County, CA a former Leisureworld now known as Laguna Woods Village is undergoing serious difficulties with residents running the show, recalls, firing the management company which is very, very well run and more. The situation could really hit property values there as well as quality of life. It seems to me The Villages is exceptionally and economically well run.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I shudder at the thought of having residents run, administer or set policy for this place. One of the selling points for me buying here is that the developer and professional managers manage TV and this place is quite a success story. This business model and system works pretty well, minor flaws and all. Know what you are buying into before buying.

As an example - see striping issue.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Ah yes. A version of the "Negative Nellie" comment. Don't forget the favorite, "if you don't like it, you can move".

As predicted, the thread has disintegrated into the negative nellies, with a twist. If you support the POA, you are anti developer, and obviously a Democrat. And if the residents have any say in how their community is run, and how their money is spent, the Villages will fall apart. Sigh. How predictable. The kool aid folks have their own unique take on things. It must give them a feeling of comfort.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Sigh. First, a lawsuit being dismissed is absolutely irrelevant. Just because there is no LEGAL cause of action does not mean something unfair did not occur. The court gave plaintiffs three tries to get the complaint worded properly. Their attorney never succeeded. Complaints can be dismissed with or without prejudice for several reasons -- lack of jurisdiction, no cause of action, etc.

General Managers are usually selected by a board or committee, not elected. Their job is to take charge of daily issues, create and maintain a budget. They don't make policy, they enforce policy. So, Janet Tutt not being a TV resident is irrelevant. She does a good job given the constraints on her position. Frankly, I'd be more worried if her loyalties didn't lay with the developer.

As to who told the truth and who lied, I have no idea. I don't even have a real sense what the lawsuit was about and have no intention of reading the pleadings to find out. Normally, the truth lies somewhere between two opposing sides. They're both going to say what it takes to come across looking good.

This is a dead horse beaten up in the courts and behind the scenes long before anything was made public. (And I'm very pro POA.)

I copied redwitch's post because redwitch does well in highlighting the important issues much of what I agree.

The differences for me are that: we will never really know if there was something more that created the dismissal of this lawsuit but it clearly doesn't mean that the decision and the truth are one in the same. I do know that in the original amenity lawsuit that the POA filed, created a dilemma for them because they couldn't find an attorney who wanted to go against the Developer. Remember the Developer is the big dog in Sumter County.

Frankly I have always been worried that the District Manager's loyalties favor the Developer. I had come by that concern after reading the Notice of Proposed Issues submitted by the IRS explaining the transactions between the District and the Developer. Its one thing to work harmoniously with the Developer another to defer to their wishes. the District is suppose to protect the residents and hence can't serve both interests without creating a conflict
I certainly can be persuaded to view this concern otherwise as I always remain open.

The lawsuit in essence was about honoring a commitment/promise by the developer to all residents input into the decisions made south of 466 of which 100% of the cost plus profits will eventually inure to the Developer paid by us. In essence they use our money to build south of 466 will sell it back to us for a handsome profit

All of this discussion actually is a waste of time because the usual suspects will accuse those who simply ask the logical questions of why, how etc of being anti developer. We have witnessed how name calling ends discussion in our society so too does being called an anti-developer and we have witnessed repeatedly how any discussion about The Villages ends up about the Developer and not the real issue of the development and it future

I hold no malice toward the Developer (actually The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc,) and in fact admire the work being done, nor am I pro POA for a number of reasons. However there is not one other entity in Sumter County that will speak up against The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc. and while I do view this entity as a monarchy I do not view it as a benevolent one but simply a business one.

Simply stated in nine years I have never witnessed a discussion about The Villages that didn't end up like a scene out of the Hatfield and Mc Coys and that indeed is a sad situation because residents should be united in their concern for preserving our way of life and that can never happen until the name calling stops. The one real asset we have going for us is that the majority of the residents are decent fair minded people that makes all of this palatable. And perhaps the Hatfield McCoy comparison speaks to the issue of who is best to manage this creation?

Personal Best Regards:

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Challenger

As an example - see striping issue.

While Ms. Tutt and the developer controlled districts work to kill striping against the wishes of many residents; the resident elected CDD4 representatives went "rogue" (translation: took care of business) and got the job done months ago. I've ridden those paths, and I like the striping. No one riding in district 4 has died or been maimed because of this striping. The striped path has not turned into a golf cart "highway" as the engineer predicted. While the south districts with developer appointed representatives continue to hash this out and waste money on useless studies, CDD4 is moving on to other business having EFFICIENTLY, and with common sense, accomplished what a significant number of residents in CDD4 wanted. And btw, you knew when you bought here that eventually the CDDs would be resident run.