[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1109152]While Ms. Tutt and the developer controlled districts work to kill striping against the wishes of many residents; the resident elected CDD4 representatives went "rogue" (translation: took care of business) and got the job done months ago. I've ridden those paths, and I like the striping. No one riding in district 4 has died or been maimed because of this striping. The striped path has not turned into a golf cart "highway" as the engineer predicted. While the south districts with developer appointed representatives continue to hash this out and waste money on useless studies, CDD4 is moving on to other business having EFFICIENTLY, and with common sense, accomplished what a significant number of residents in CDD4 wanted. And btw, you knew when you bought here that eventually the CDDs would be resident run.[/QUOTE]



I did NOT know that. I hope it never happens. Many of us have already seen people try to run things who have no experience in running anything, in other homeowner associations. People who just like to wear the hat of power. Pretty soon it will bite us all in the pocketbook if this one wants this and that one wants that. I think that how it is run by Janet Tutt and the developers is just fine.


There are a few posters whose constant negativity and statement of rumors as fact are not helping anyone's property values. And not doing anything good for my blood pressure either.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

I shudder at the thought of having residents run, administer or set policy for this place. One of the selling points for me buying here is that the developer and professional managers manage TV and this place is quite a success story. This business model and system works pretty well, minor flaws and all. Know what you are buying into before buying.

Exactly.

[TVMayor]

Originally Posted by outlaw

While Ms. Tutt and the developer controlled districts work to kill striping against the wishes of many residents; the resident elected CDD4 representatives went "rogue" (translation: took care of business) and got the job done months ago. I've ridden those paths, and I like the striping. No one riding in district 4 has died or been maimed because of this striping. The striped path has not turned into a golf cart "highway" as the engineer predicted. While the south districts with developer appointed representatives continue to hash this out and waste money on useless studies, CDD4 is moving on to other business having EFFICIENTLY, and with common sense, accomplished what a significant number of residents in CDD4 wanted. And btw, you knew when you bought here that eventually the CDDs would be resident run.

If Ms. Tutt and the developer controlled districts work to kill striping it would not have taken 17 months to accomplish. They can build a village in 17 months.

[outlaw]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1109162]

Originally Posted by outlaw

While Ms. Tutt and the developer controlled districts work to kill striping against the wishes of many residents; the resident elected CDD4 representatives went "rogue" (translation: took care of business) and got the job done months ago. I've ridden those paths, and I like the striping. No one riding in district 4 has died or been maimed because of this striping. The striped path has not turned into a golf cart "highway" as the engineer predicted. While the south districts with developer appointed representatives continue to hash this out and waste money on useless studies, CDD4 is moving on to other business having EFFICIENTLY, and with common sense, accomplished what a significant number of residents in CDD4 wanted. And btw, you knew when you bought here that eventually the CDDs would be resident run.[/QUOTE]



I did NOT know that. I hope it never happens. Many of us have already seen people try to run things who have no experience in running anything, in other homeowner associations. People who just like to wear the hat of power. Pretty soon it will bite us all in the pocketbook if this one wants this and that one wants that. I think that how it is run by Janet Tutt and the developers is just fine.


There are a few posters whose constant negativity and statement of rumors as fact are not helping anyone's property values. And not doing anything good for my blood pressure either.

I think by Florida law, the developer must turn over the control to residents once a certain amount of homes have been sold. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Did the sales person tell you that?

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1109186]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think by Florida law, the developer must turn over the control to residents once a certain amount of homes have been sold. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Did the sales person tell you that?

Oh stop. I cringe when I read "district X goes rogue". I don't like rogue. I like pretty, clean, well maintained and not overspent. I like quiet people pulling quiet strings. I don't want to be a part of running the world anymore. I have served. I like how the developers run things. It is by far the nicest place and well run place that I have seen of it's size.


I also don't like people who don't know what they are talking about to spread half truths and rumors.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1109186]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think by Florida law, the developer must turn over the control to residents once a certain amount of homes have been sold. I don't know why you would think otherwise. Did the sales person tell you that?

Do you have the exact Florida statute that says this? Where did you hear that? How many homes are required to be sold?

I would think otherwise because I've never heard of this law that you cite.

[outlaw]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1109200]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Do you have the exact Florida statute that says this? Where did you hear that? How many homes are required to be sold?

I would think otherwise because I've never heard of this law that you cite.

I'm sorry. You're going to have to do your own research on your questions. Unless you want to pay me by the hour...

[rustyp]

Per The Villages VCDD

"Now that you are generally familiar with the District concept, let's describe the election process and the Board of Supervisors who oversee the activities of the District. Initially, the Board of Supervisors, consisting of five, is elected based upon land ownership. The legislature, in creating Chapter 190, recognized that in order to maintain continuity of the facilities provided to the newly developing community, that the developer, who then owns the majority of the land should be granted the right to substantially complete the project as envisioned by the various land use and zoning approvals that were obtained as part of the development review process. The legislature also recognized that at the time prescribed by statute, control should begin a process of transition to the residents. Since 2000, all supervisors in District No. 1 have been elected by 'qualified electors' (registered voters) residing in the District. They are elected on a non-partisan basis on the general election ballot."

The Villages does a good job of explaining this at classes every Thursday morning at 10:00 am. The orientation class is free.

[twoplanekid]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1109200]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Do you have the exact Florida statute that says this? Where did you hear that? How many homes are required to be sold?

I would think otherwise because I've never heard of this law that you cite.

Even I as a newbie know about this so here goes. Look at this ->
Village Community Development Districts

Or go here ->
Chapter 190 - COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS :: 2013 Florida Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

I have talked about this in many of my past posts. Hope everyone now understands what will happen in the Villages.

[TVMayor]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;1109200]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Do you have the exact Florida statute that says this? Where did you hear that? How many homes are required to be sold?

I would think otherwise because I've never heard of this law that you cite.

190.006 Board of supervisors; members and meetings.--

(1) The board of the district shall exercise the powers granted to the district pursuant to this act. The board shall consist of five members; except as otherwise provided herein, each member shall hold office for a term of 2 years or 4 years, as provided in this section, and until a successor is chosen and qualifies. The members of the board must be residents of the state and citizens of the United States.

(2)(a) Within 90 days following the effective date of the rule or ordinance establishing the district, there shall be held a meeting of the landowners of the district for the purpose of electing five supervisors for the district. Notice of the landowners' meeting shall be published once a week for 2 consecutive weeks in a newspaper which is in general circulation in the area of the district, the last day of such publication to be not fewer than 14 days or more than 28 days before the date of the election. The landowners, when assembled at such meeting, shall organize by electing a chair who shall conduct the meeting. The chair may be any person present at the meeting. If the chair is a landowner or proxy holder of a landowner, he or she may nominate candidates and make and second motions.

(b) At such meeting, each landowner shall be entitled to cast one vote per acre of land owned by him or her and located within the district for each person to be elected. A landowner may vote in person or by proxy in writing. Each proxy must be signed by one of the legal owners of the property for which the vote is cast and must contain the typed or printed name of the individual who signed the proxy; the street address, legal description of the property, or tax parcel identification number; and the number of authorized votes. If the proxy authorizes more than one vote, each property must be listed and the number of acres of each property must be included. The signature on a proxy need not be notarized. A fraction of an acre shall be treated as 1 acre, entitling the landowner to one vote with respect thereto. The two candidates receiving the highest number of votes shall be elected for a period of 4 years, and the three candidates receiving the next largest number of votes shall be elected for a period of 2 years, with the term of office for each successful candidate commencing upon election. The members of the first board elected by landowners shall serve their respective 4-year or 2-year terms; however, the next election by landowners shall be held on the first Tuesday in November. Thereafter, there shall be an election of supervisors for the district every 2 years in November on a date established by the board and noticed pursuant to paragraph (a). The second and subsequent landowners' election shall be announced at a public meeting of the board at least 90 days prior to the date of the landowners' meeting and shall also be noticed pursuant to paragraph (a). Instructions on how all landowners may participate in the election, along with sample proxies, shall be provided during the board meeting that announces the landowners' meeting. The two candidates receiving the highest number of votes shall be elected to serve for a 4-year period, and the remaining candidate elected shall serve for a 2-year period.

Florida Statutes - Chapter 190 - COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Today I have a band rehearsal until 3:00. After that I'll probably come home and watch some of the golf tournament. I might go out with some friends for a drink or two later on tonight.
Mowed, trimmed, and edged my lawn lat night. Also pressure washed the driveway.
I might take of the lawn at the house I have for sale some time later today.

[PennBF]

You can't make some of this stuff up. I like the one where they believe the "people" can't manage themselves and they would rather have someone else other than the people. I believe that is similar to The King of England and the
Colonies, or how about some countries today. sound familiar. Where are these people coming from? Read the Law governing the Condo's in Florida and the limited if any power the Developer has after a Condo is sold and the requirements of the Condo owner's to manage themselves with relatively strong laws. (You will find it under Fl Law 718). Having outside people, appointed by the Developer to run your community is beyond belief. As owner's you only have the power that is given to you by that persons delegated authority. Is it a great community, of course it is. Are you paying for things that are not intended for your benefit. Of course you are. Remember the famous statement. "FOLLOW THE MONEY". The Villages does not have a soul, it is a profit making business. So many want to pretend it has a soul. Think of General Motors or Apple. They are profit making business's like The Villages. The business product here is building and selling houses, retaining percentages of business rental properties, charging residents for some building costs, having holding on banks, insurance companies, etc.etc. There are many more revenue sources that contribute to it being a well oiled business with the Owner and Officers making large amounts of money/profit. Is that wrong? No it is the America's way of life. It is wrong to have outsiders dictate what your rules and laws will be without any say by the owners. You bet your life it is. Lets just recognize what we have without trying to paint it as something it is not!!

[Mleeja]

It is “funny” how this has turned into another thread about the governance of The Villages. IMO the negative comments are being driven by POA officers, members, or supporters. I have a news flash for the POA…”you lost… bigtime”! However in the midst of the lawsuit, we all lost because The Villages had to expend over $300,000 in legal fees that could have been used for other purposes within The Villages. In this case the POA has done a disservice to the community.

So “who is lying”? Well let’s start with the count ruled against the POA with prejudice. This tells me that the arguments they put forth were not accurate, so that should be the beginning point in answering the question.

I am sure the POA supporters are licking their wounds and feel the need to lash out through this forum because their reputation just took a big hit. How can we trust anything they say in the future?

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by PennBF

You can't make some of this stuff up. I like the one where they believe the "people" can't manage themselves and they would rather have someone else other than the people. I believe that is similar to The King of England and the
Colonies, or how about some countries today. sound familiar. Where are these people coming from?r things that are not intended for your benefit. Of course you are. Remember the famous statement. "FOLLOW THE MONEY". The Villages does not have a soul, it is a profit making business. So many want to pretend it has a soul. Think of General Motors or Apple. They are profit making business's like The Villages. The business product here is building and selling houses...

My thoughts exactly. Do they think we have a benevolent dictator who operates with the sole purpose of making our lives wonderful?

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I prefer to think POA Repubs VHA Repubs.

I think you are mistaken. The distinction is really: POA: Property owners' association. VHA: Developer front organization. I don't think political parties have anything to do with it.

I will preface my remarks in this regard by making the following disclosures:

a. I am a registered Republican, but knowing what I now know, I view the VHA as a blight upon the Villages landscape. I have to admit that shortly after I moved here, I naively believed that the VHA was a legitimate homeowners' association, and I became a member. Needless to say, as I learned more about it, I allowed my membership to lapse.

b. I will stipulate the Developer, which is the Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc. (and a maze of trusts, family members, and other corporations), has done a marvelous job of developing, and in almost all aspects, running, The Villages. I love living here and have no intention of moving. However, it is absurd to think that the interests of the Developer, who controls the local media and politics, will always coincide with those of the residents. It is for that reason that we need our own, independent homeowners' organization, i.e., the POA.

Here are the reasons that I view the VHA as a blight:

1. In case of conflict between the interests of homeowners and those of the Developer, the VHA has consistently sided with the Developer. The latest example of this is the absolute nonsense published by the VHA's newsletter, The Villages Voice, about the ongoing IRS investigation of the Developer's actions in selling amenity facilities to the Developer-controlled Center Districts. The reasons why the VHA always supports the Developer follow.

2. The Developer sponsors the VHA. The Villages Voice is printed and delivered by the Developer's newspaper, The Daily Sun.

3. The Developer collaborated in the very establishment of the VHA. The motive of the Developer in doing so was obviously to weaken the POA, which was frustrating his actions when they conflicted with the interests of the residents.

4. The Developer has co-opted as least some of the VHA presidents. One VHA president was, incredibly, actually on the Developer's payroll while holding office. Two other presidents were, upon leaving office, rewarded by the Developer by getting his political and financial backing to successfully run for County Supervisor positions. These are just examples of the corruption of VHA officers that I have been able to glean from public records. Do other members of this forum know of other examples?

I would not have a real problem with the VHA if it would not, hypocritically, hold itself out as a bona fide homeowners' association. After all, the VHA does run a golf-cart safety clinic, a very worthwhile activity. Perhaps a name change to something like "The Villages of Lake-Sumter Landing, Inc. Booster Club"?