[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

[QUOTE=Two Bills;2280161]
Shoplifting is endemic, and the perps are as bold as brass, because 99% of the time they know there will be no retribution.

That is the issue. Why aren’t prosecutors going after these people?[/QUOTE]
Because you and I and the next guy do not want to pay taxes needed to pay for the arrest, processing , trial, conviction, and incarceration of shoplifters.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

That is the issue. Why aren’t prosecutors going after these people?

Because you and I and the next guy do not want to pay taxes needed to pay for the arrest, processing , trial, conviction, and incarceration of shoplifters.[/QUOTE]
I do remember there was a judge in St.Clair County Illinois back in the 80s who got tired of misdemeanor recidivists. He started sentencing them to 30 days in jail, to be served from 6:00 PM Friday to the same time on Sunday, for 15 weeks.

[JGibson]

Attorney Generals are starting to file charges against companies who don't deal with looting as they have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Attorney Generals are starting to file charges against companies who don't deal with looting as they have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.

This has the potential to be expensive Govt interference and to shift the blame away from police, prosecutors, and judges. Need more information. Do you have a link handy?

[Joecool]

Don't fool yourself there is tons of cameras. More than you could imagine. zoom in on everything that goes on. like a casino. there is undercover personnel patrolling the store Watching. then there are the detectives that go through the video Turn in suspects for further investigations. Personally arrested hundreds at Walmart over the years. Once convicted the may do jail, most get fine and probation for first offence. Then tresspassed and will be arrested if ever step foot in any walmart or sams club.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting thing happened this past Sunday. My wife and I were shopping at Wal-Mart just off 466. Because of the small parking lot and the glut of church-crowd shoppers we didn't park in the lot but on the side by the service bays and entrance. After we checked out, instead of going out the front doors and circling around to the service bays, we exited through the customer door by auto service. We had a cart full of stuff (in bags) and traveled through the store to the side entrance, exiting without anybody saying anything.

Lesson: we could have picked up a dozen other items on our way out and stuffed them into our bags, and nobody would have been the wiser.

I've had several conversations with Wal-Mart associates these past few weeks. One with a lady in electronics just this week revealed that she stopped a person with over $400 worth of stolen merchandise. When I asked what happened, her response was "probably nothing". Another time at another Wal-Mart I stopped to buy a flash drive. After the associate unlocked it and checked me out I commented that the store must be losing a lot of money to the shoplifters. He just smiled and said "Wal-Mart isn't losing a dime--YOU are!"

It got me thinking. If I could waltz out of the store the way I did, how many others, probably far more knowledgeable about the "art" of ripping off stores, are doing it too? Wal-mart is the undisputed leader when it comes to shoplifting targets but other stores are certainly not exempt. Retail stores have about a 3% profit margin and shoplifting must be cutting into that pretty well. But...if the stores' responses are merely to raise prices, along with the occasional shoplifting arrest hitting the papers...are they really motivated to do any more than that? We TV'ers are targets in many ways, and this is one of the more insidious, in my opinion.

Unless the stores do more to stop this, aren't we in effect subsidizing a criminal (petty, to be sure, but still criminal) enterprise? And what can be done to further motivate the stores to actually implement measures that REALLY work--and stop penalizing their customers for their inaction?

I was walking into a Walmart in Tn. when I saw a teenager grab one bicycle out of the many parked in front and he rode off on it. I ran into the store and told the customer service people which way he was riding. I thought that they would call the Police. Wrong. They told me that there was NOTHING that they could do. STRANGE, I thought.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Same here in UK. Theft from stores is so bad, even meat has security tags on it. Many supermarkets have increased security personnel, as attacks on staff are daily occurrences, both verbal and physical.
Shoplifting is endemic, and the perps are as bold as brass, because 99% of the time they know there will be no retribution.
It is all built into the final cost to the customer.

I wonder if Amazon makes more profit because they have less stolen?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

The obvious disintegration of American society was one of the main reasons we retired to this relatively remote corner of Florida, surrounded by 100,000 baby boomers rather than millions of angry children.

Why is it happening? Lots of reasons come to mind, but mostly I think it's just entropy. 200 years seems to be the limit for any civilization that achieves any degree of freedom from the standard human condition of poverty under the heel of some tyrant. By the 10th generation, the population typically becomes too fat, dumb, and happy to pass on the values that led to general prosperity in the first place -- or for that matter, bother to defend themselves from the jealous invaders who ignorantly believe that freedom and prosperity have something to do with geography. It's a sad scenario that has played out over and over throughout history.

Entropy is the property the universe that causes order to disintegrate to into disorder. The common word for it is "evil".

Yes, I have heard so many people say, "Entropy made me do it"!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mickey100

A lot has to do with personal and societal values. Look at what this country idolizes and condones - material wealth and corporate greed. American society's standards and personal status are arbitrary, set by the constant advertising and consumerism. People try to live up to these unrealistic standards when they can't afford to, because everyone wants to, and is constantly reminded to, keep up. Material wealth is valued above all else. People will swoon over persons in power who are bullies, self-serving and un-truthful, simply because those people have great wealth. Those people who are struggling financially are looked down upon, while those who are rich and are exploiting the populace are seen as successful.

Good post !

[Bwanajim]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting thing happened this past Sunday. My wife and I were shopping at Wal-Mart just off 466. Because of the small parking lot and the glut of church-crowd shoppers we didn't park in the lot but on the side by the service bays and entrance. After we checked out, instead of going out the front doors and circling around to the service bays, we exited through the customer door by auto service. We had a cart full of stuff (in bags) and traveled through the store to the side entrance, exiting without anybody saying anything.

Lesson: we could have picked up a dozen other items on our way out and stuffed them into our bags, and nobody would have been the wiser.

I've had several conversations with Wal-Mart associates these past few weeks. One with a lady in electronics just this week revealed that she stopped a person with over $400 worth of stolen merchandise. When I asked what happened, her response was "probably nothing". Another time at another Wal-Mart I stopped to buy a flash drive. After the associate unlocked it and checked me out I commented that the store must be losing a lot of money to the shoplifters. He just smiled and said "Wal-Mart isn't losing a dime--YOU are!"

It got me thinking. If I could waltz out of the store the way I did, how many others, probably far more knowledgeable about the "art" of ripping off stores, are doing it too? Wal-mart is the undisputed leader when it comes to shoplifting targets but other stores are certainly not exempt. Retail stores have about a 3% profit margin and shoplifting must be cutting into that pretty well. But...if the stores' responses are merely to raise prices, along with the occasional shoplifting arrest hitting the papers...are they really motivated to do any more than that? We TV'ers are targets in many ways, and this is one of the more insidious, in my opinion.

Unless the stores do more to stop this, aren't we in effect subsidizing a criminal (petty, to be sure, but still criminal) enterprise? And what can be done to further motivate the stores to actually implement measures that REALLY work--and stop penalizing their customers for their inaction?

It’s not the store’s fault, the cops do what they can, but the stupid liberal politicians let them out of jail. Look at what’s going on in California with 10 gangbangers going into Nordstrom‘s and running out with tens of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise.
It’s happening everywhere, there is no more fear for the law because it’s not enforced. Sad that has come to this. And yes, we pay for it with higher prices.

[DDToto41]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting thing happened this past Sunday. My wife and I were shopping at Wal-Mart just off 466. Because of the small parking lot and the glut of church-crowd shoppers we didn't park in the lot but on the side by the service bays and entrance. After we checked out, instead of going out the front doors and circling around to the service bays, we exited through the customer door by auto service. We had a cart full of stuff (in bags) and traveled through the store to the side entrance, exiting without anybody saying anything.

Lesson: we could have picked up a dozen other items on our way out and stuffed them into our bags, and nobody would have been the wiser.

I've had several conversations with Wal-Mart associates these past few weeks. One with a lady in electronics just this week revealed that she stopped a person with over $400 worth of stolen merchandise. When I asked what happened, her response was "probably nothing". Another time at another Wal-Mart I stopped to buy a flash drive. After the associate unlocked it and checked me out I commented that the store must be losing a lot of money to the shoplifters. He just smiled and said "Wal-Mart isn't losing a dime--YOU are!"

It got me thinking. If I could waltz out of the store the way I did, how many others, probably far more knowledgeable about the "art" of ripping off stores, are doing it too? Wal-mart is the undisputed leader when it comes to shoplifting targets but other stores are certainly not exempt. Retail stores have about a 3% profit margin and shoplifting must be cutting into that pretty well. But...if the stores' responses are merely to raise prices, along with the occasional shoplifting arrest hitting the papers...are they really motivated to do any more than that? We TV'ers are targets in many ways, and this is one of the more insidious, in my opinion.

Unless the stores do more to stop this, aren't we in effect subsidizing a criminal (petty, to be sure, but still criminal) enterprise? And what can be done to further motivate the stores to actually implement measures that REALLY work--and stop penalizing their customers for their inaction?

Being an ex employee of both Walmart and Publix they both said if you see someone taking something tell you manager, as they don't want the employee getting hurt, and the manager will let security know so they can apprehend the culprit. I had seen a few times at Walmart where they stopped a person and had called the police to get them arrested. They have an employee checking the cctv all the time. They do a pretty good job but sometime things slip between the cracks.

[Salty Dog]

When I was a young man, back many years ago. The store I worked at gave random lie detector test to find out if employees had stolen or taken anything from the store that they weren't supposed to...

[Robnlaura]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

That would never happen to me because I pay cash at restaurants. I never allow a restaurant employee to take my credit card into another room. The credit card companies could easily solve this problem by requiring merchants to bring a credit card machine to the customer.

Also, I am frustrated that very few merchants use state-of-the-art, tap-to-pay, machines that prevent the use of skimmers to steal credit card information. Why don't the credit card companies require this technology?

After being scammed I now use the Revolut card everywhere.. my phone is the real answer the card has what I need to use and that’s that..

[LizzieBorden]

When I was in walmart the other day, doing the self checkout, I had to have clerk assistance for the wine I was buying…the clerk came over and while there we were chatting…and now the items also have weight associated to the price, and supposevily if you buy more than what you scanned, it wont let you check out….just a thought and I thought that was a good idea…..

[mlmarr]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Interesting thing happened this past Sunday. My wife and I were shopping at Wal-Mart just off 466. Because of the small parking lot and the glut of church-crowd shoppers we didn't park in the lot but on the side by the service bays and entrance. After we checked out, instead of going out the front doors and circling around to the service bays, we exited through the customer door by auto service. We had a cart full of stuff (in bags) and traveled through the store to the side entrance, exiting without anybody saying anything.

Lesson: we could have picked up a dozen other items on our way out and stuffed them into our bags, and nobody would have been the wiser.

I've had several conversations with Wal-Mart associates these past few weeks. One with a lady in electronics just this week revealed that she stopped a person with over $400 worth of stolen merchandise. When I asked what happened, her response was "probably nothing". Another time at another Wal-Mart I stopped to buy a flash drive. After the associate unlocked it and checked me out I commented that the store must be losing a lot of money to the shoplifters. He just smiled and said "Wal-Mart isn't losing a dime--YOU are!"

It got me thinking. If I could waltz out of the store the way I did, how many others, probably far more knowledgeable about the "art" of ripping off stores, are doing it too? Wal-mart is the undisputed leader when it comes to shoplifting targets but other stores are certainly not exempt. Retail stores have about a 3% profit margin and shoplifting must be cutting into that pretty well. But...if the stores' responses are merely to raise prices, along with the occasional shoplifting arrest hitting the papers...are they really motivated to do any more than that? We TV'ers are targets in many ways, and this is one of the more insidious, in my opinion.

Unless the stores do more to stop this, aren't we in effect subsidizing a criminal (petty, to be sure, but still criminal) enterprise? And what can be done to further motivate the stores to actually implement measures that REALLY work--and stop penalizing their customers for their inaction?

thank the current government ... for this nonsense