[Debree]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

There are really only two ways to run a community like ours.

Either we "pay to play" - you want to swim in the sports pool? hand over some money at the door - or we accept that we ALL contribute towards maintaining ALL of the facilities, whether we use them or not.

I do not play softball, but I am delighted that those facilities are being well-maintained so that they can be fully-enjoyed, just as I hope that non-swimmers are happy to help pay for the sports pools to be kept in good order so that I can get my fur wet.

Perfect response Arctic Fox. Thank you

[spring_chicken]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't understand the part about looks like someone didn't get drafted. And who is old enough to be an old fart and to whom?

I guess you would need to ask the poster who referred to all softball players as "old farts". My reply was in response to his post (forgot to use quote feature, sorry!)
As for not getting drafted, each season there is a draft where the managers draft their team. When it gets down to the 12th round, there are sometimes players who remain undrafted. They have a choice of moving down a division or playing as a sub only. (Ladies Div. 1)

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by spring_chicken

I guess you would need to ask the poster who referred to all softball players as "old farts". My reply was in response to his post (forgot to use quote feature, sorry!)
As for not getting drafted, each season there is a draft where the managers draft their team. When it gets down to the 12th round, there are sometimes players who remain undrafted. They have a choice of moving down a division or playing as a sub only. (Ladies Div. 1)

Thank you for your explanation.


Gracie who is probably an old fart.

[spring_chicken]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Thank you for your explanation.


Gracie who is probably an old fart.

By the definition in the earlier post, so am I. But I'm an old fart who is currently ranked #1 in the world in 1 track event and #3 in two others, so that other poster can have his rocking chair!

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I have read the engineering report. It states roughly that based on current standards, the marking of the MMPs are not warranted. In other words, there are not governmental requirements for marking the paths. Also base on accident data, in their opinion there is no evidence that striping would make the paths safer. The key words are "based on accident data". What the report does not say is they drove the paths at night to personally observe the driving conditions. They did not conduct any traffic or volume study on the paths. They did not take into account the serpentine and undulations of the paths to study the effect that these conditions have on driving and night time visibility. They looked a two data points. Hell yes, based on these two data points we would all probably come to the same conclusion. But is this "real world"? Nope... If you want a complete picture of the safety of the paths some type of traffic study needs to be completed. I am not seeing where this was preformed.

amen

[Dynsol]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Absolutely right. I for one don't much give a crap for a bunch of old farts who think they are still kids and play softball. The Softball field improvements are a total waste of money that could be much better spent on making our cart paths safer for all the 100,000 + residents, myself included.

At what age does one become an old fart? Is it not each persons responsibility when before you buy into the Villages to know what your expenses are and where your money is spent? Does not everyone have the ability to become part of their districts board so you can voice your opinion?
IMHO I do not think 100,000 people think the Cart paths are unsafe!

Are people that don't give a crap old farts?

[aanton1129]

If you need a line to keep you on the right side of the path, well ????

[Cedwards38]

As per today's Daily Sun article, can someone tell me what the potential liability issues we might face from striping the multi modal paths? I'm struggling to come up with anything that the stripes might cause that would subject us to some court action. Seriously, someone help me understand the Boards concerns here. I'm wondering if that is just a Bullshot (for those of you who may not know, a bullshot is just one little taste of the stuff from which it derives it's name).

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

As per today's Daily Sun article, can someone tell me what the potential liability issues we might face from striping the multi modal paths? I'm struggling to come up with anything that the stripes might cause that would subject us to some court action. Seriously, someone help me understand the Boards concerns here. I'm wondering if that is just a Bullshot (for those of you who may not know, a bullshot is just one little taste of the stuff from which it derives it's name).

Well, just off the top of my head, what if someone driving the path at night gets confused and thinks the white side stripe is the center line. They think they are on the wrong side of the path and pull right, colliding with a fence post or tree. Their attorney discovers the CDD installed the stripes against the advice of an engineering firm hired to determine if the stripes were a good idea. Lawsuit.

With the frequency that the dividing posts on the paths are crumpled, I don't think that scenario is a stretch.

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

Well, just off the top of my head, what if someone driving the path at night gets confused and thinks the white side stripe is the center line. They think they are on the wrong side of the path and pull right, colliding with a fence post or tree. Their attorney discovers the CDD installed the stripes against the advice of an engineering firm hired to determine if the stripes were a good idea. Lawsuit.

With the frequency that the dividing posts on the paths are crumpled, I don't think that scenario is a stretch.

You have just outlined my plan. $$$$$$$$$$

[Cedwards38]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

Well, just off the top of my head, what if someone driving the path at night gets confused and thinks the white side stripe is the center line. They think they are on the wrong side of the path and pull right, colliding with a fence post or tree. Their attorney discovers the CDD installed the stripes against the advice of an engineering firm hired to determine if the stripes were a good idea. Lawsuit.

With the frequency that the dividing posts on the paths are crumpled, I don't think that scenario is a stretch.

Thanks Mikeod. I appreciate your response. That scenario is certainly a possibility that should be considered, but would the probability be high for us to be potentially liable for a cart driver's bad judgement and mistake? Wouldn't we actually decrease our liability by taking action to install safety lines? I don't see how a reasonable jury could determine that our actions of striping could have caused that accident. Couldn't you make just as valid an argument that not striping would subject us to liability? Cart is driving at night, doesn't realize where the edge of the path lies, drives off the side of the path, collides with a fence post or tree. Attorney takes us to court for not being proactive, thus causing a safety hazard?

Is Mikeod's scenario, and others like it the reason that the engineers recommend against them rather than for them?

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

I'm struggling to come up with anything that the stripes might cause that would subject us to some court action.

The edge of the thermoplastic strip might lift up slightly and create an edge if not fully-sealed to the tarmac, causing someone to trip or fall off their bike or in-line skates, or maybe it lacks grip when wet, causing someone to slip?

If you can sue a restaurant for serving hot coffee...

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

And debates like this are the reason I am so glad that the Developer is still in charge of the area where I live. So far they have made not perfect perhaps, but very reasonable decisions and have given us NOT ALL our choices but varied choices for enjoyable amenities. I don't play softball but many, many, many play and enjoy it mightily and it was here when I arrived and I hope that it will continue and that the areas will be maintained for an enjoyable experience for all involved.


I have witnessed money spent on foolishness sanctioned by well meaning homeowners associations run by inexperienced homeowners in the past.. The striping of the cart paths is a judgment call and many are passionate about it. I don't think it would change much but people that I respect think differently. If we all saw things the same way, they would only sell vanilla ice cream.

So you are acknowledging that The Developer controls our amenity funds?

[WhoDat]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

Thanks Mikeod. I appreciate your response. That scenario is certainly a possibility that should be considered, but would the probability be high for us to be potentially liable for a cart driver's bad judgement and mistake? Wouldn't we actually decrease our liability by taking action to install safety lines? I don't see how a reasonable jury could determine that our actions of striping could have caused that accident. Couldn't you make just as valid an argument that not striping would subject us to liability? Cart is driving at night, doesn't realize where the edge of the path lies, drives off the side of the path, collides with a fence post or tree. Attorney takes us to court for not being proactive, thus causing a safety hazard?

Is Mikeod's scenario, and others like it the reason that the engineers recommend against them rather than for them?

And what does a "reasonable" jury look like. I've seen some strange decisions come down or what was expected to be a reasonable jury.

[JCMSr]

Looking at this from another perspective I believe the engineering report while stating that they did not recommend the stripes they also stated that they could see no detrimental impact to safety should they be installed. Based on that comment you could say that should the decision be made to proceed with the sideline stripes it could be looked at as going above and beyond the minimum requirements. Rather than thinking in the negative perhaps we should look at this as a positive.