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Old 03-14-2023, 07:47 AM
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This is a straw man fallacy.
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Please stop. No one said the developer is doing things for only altruistic reasons, which is what you imply. That’s just silly.

The profit motive of capitalism does come with altruistic benefits. It has brought much of the world out of extreme poverty. Is it perfect? No, it has blemishes certainly. But other systems have performed worse.

It’s a time to celebrate. We live in the most prosperous and healthiest time in human history.




Nonsense. This is a similar argument that capitalism is not sustainable and will kill the planet. The argument is often made by anti-capitalists with socialist leanings. Again, capitalism has blemishes but things are very unlikely to collapse.

For those who want to learn more about whether capitalism is sustainable, here is a (long) lecture from a Duke University professor.
https://youtu.be/6dVSOIiO_U8

(I suspect that cherry picked counter examples are about to come.)
Great post from goldwingnut. You are correct spinner1001. Things aren’t going to fail overnight or anytime soon. When you have people leaving California/NY/Oregon/NJ/Illinois and many others and a lot of them moving here, we will be growing for the foreseeable future.
As for development plans, you don’t wake up 1 morning and say we will start building in this new area. It takes years of planning, surveying, permits, building the infrastructure and so on before the 1st house can be built.
As for never thinking of moving south of 466, we just moved here and we didn’t even consider anything north of 466a and we ended up in the southern most part. We know several people that have moved from the old section of the villages to the south and the people we know that live south of 44 that are selling, they are all moving into a newer home in either Richmond or Newell. There are so many more benefits living in the southern sections compared to the older sections.
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I'm curious. Are there currently any pools or Rec Centers in Newell, Lake Denham, or Dabney? (There is a pitch n putt and a putting course.)
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Old 03-14-2023, 08:40 AM
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Why are Premier homes no longer being built? Why are custom Designer homes now limited to very few options despite a huge new design center in Brownwood?
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I'm ok with getting bigger as long as they keep the Infrastructure in line with it and we don't run out of water. We lived in Frisco TX (north Dallas) and it was growing just as fast BUT they built Infrastructure before all the houses.
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[QUOTE=OrangeBlossomBaby;2197194]There will come a point in time when the developers will say "we've decided we really don't want to expand further, we're kinda finished here." Some descendent of the Morse Family will say "Nah, I'm gonna be a doctor instead." And that'll be the end of development of The Villages. That will also be the day when all those construction jobs are cut off. It will happen, eventually. There is only so far the developer -can- develop. The state has edges, it's not infinite.

I am of the opinion that The Morse Family are probably no longer actually running TV and may well have a holding company which will continue to manage day to day matters allowing any of the Morse family to become a Doctor if they so wish.
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Old 03-14-2023, 09:11 AM
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Old 03-14-2023, 09:13 AM
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There will come a point in time when the developers will say "we've decided we really don't want to expand further, we're kinda finished here." Some descendent of the Morse Family will say "Nah, I'm gonna be a doctor instead." And that'll be the end of development of The Villages. That will also be the day when all those construction jobs are cut off. It will happen, eventually. There is only so far the developer -can- develop. The state has edges, it's not infinite.

I am of the opinion that The Morse Family are probably no longer actually running TV and may well have a holding company which will continue to manage day to day matters allowing any of the Morse family to become a Doctor if they so wish.
The canary in the coal mine will be when the flowers go to a semi annual change Vs quarterly. Be astute.
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The canary in the coal mine will be when the flowers go to a semi annual change Vs quarterly. Be astute.
If a Holding Company or any other entity started to allow TV to get run down it will cause the income to the family to drop and I cannot see that happening.
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If a Holding Company or any other entity started to allow TV to get run down it will cause the income to the family to drop and I cannot see that happening.
There is a saying "1st generation makes it, 2nd generation maintains it, 3rd generation destroys it". Harold and Gary were 1st gen. Mark, Tracy, and Jennifer are 2nd gen and still running the show. Keep an eye on the flowers.
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If a Holding Company or any other entity started to allow TV to get run down it will cause the income to the family to drop and I cannot see that happening.
Where does the family get their income, from the residents already in their homes or the purchasers of new homes? Things can slip quite a bit in the established areas before it begins to affect sales of new homes. Heck, carefully engineer a contrast between the bright, shiny offerings in a new square and the well-worn offerings in an old square and you might prompt some existing homeowners to purchase the new homes.

The flowers just might be the canary in the coal mine as the previous poster suggested.
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Thank you for the explanation.
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Thank you for your insight. As usual you are right on. We have lived here for almost 10 years and love seeing the new areas being developed. However that doesn’t mean that we turn our backs on some areas of concern.

First is the 462 and 466A intersection. That is going to be disaster on Sundays. We go to church at St Vincent. It is becoming insane getting to and especially getting out on Sunday. The pastor says they are gonna cut a new exit out to 134. That will help a little but when all that new development opens on 462 it will get unbearable.
I agree, and 462 will be a huge concern very soon. 6 buildings with 60 apartment units each are almost ready to open on 462 in a small area. I’m not sure what the traffic will be like once they all open, but I can’t imagine it getting better. The Sheriff’s Department stops and directs traffic accordingly on Saturdays and Sundays to assist, but this is required before the units have even been occupied.

In addition, more multi family units have broken ground directly across the street and almost adjacent to St. Vincent’s. Furthermore, new housing units are almost completed directly across the road from the church. The area will be a menace to traffic problems.

This is all a Wildwood problem, not the Villages concern. The city of Wildwood has Comte logistical catastrophe.
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There will come a point in time when the developers will say "we've decided we really don't want to expand further, we're kinda finished here." Some descendent of the Morse Family will say "Nah, I'm gonna be a doctor instead." And that'll be the end of development of The Villages. That will also be the day when all those construction jobs are cut off. It will happen, eventually. There is only so far the developer -can- develop. The state has edges, it's not infinite.

I am of the opinion that The Morse Family are probably no longer actually running TV and may well have a holding company which will continue to manage day to day matters allowing any of the Morse family to become a Doctor if they so wish.
We are already under a holding company, The Villages Land Holding Company, LLC
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Well, if everyone left their deadbeat, grown kids back where they come from, the crime stats would probably drop by 80 percent rapidly.
True. That is a problem. That's why I have suggested so many improvements for safety and security including UPGRADING the Police department.
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