[NavyNJ]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Advogado you are right they are used to primarily as fact finding and issued when potential witnesses refuse to testify or turn over documents. I was on the civil side of investigation and subpoenas were routinely used to compel

Right as both of you are re: the use of subpoenas, they can also be quashed given the right circumstances. You can only "compel" to a point.....

[manaboutown]

At this point I am more than curious about the investigation, how and by whom it was conducted, what was found (and not found), who was interviewed, and what was done (and not done), what authorities were involved, who made the "plea bargain" offer, whether the offer could legally be made, and so on.

What is "the rest of the story"?

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by Advogado

Put politely, you have a total, utter, and complete misunderstanding of the fourth amendment and the law. Unlike a search warrant, no probable cause is required for a subpoena. Subpoenas are routinely issued as an investigative tool. Otherwise, no complex crimes would ever get solved.

I am having a hard time understanding why you and your ilk cannot come to the accept the fact that the resitution has been made to the satisfaction of the district and probably the law enforcment community. As far as they are concerned this case is closed. When an offer of amnesty is made and accepted, that is usually it. You are not going to get your pound of flesh.

If you have put people behind bars as you say, then your are probably aware settlements are reached and court records are sealed to protect identities. We, the general public, are not going to findout the names of the person(s) responsible for the cutting. All you are doing now is bullying those that disagree with you.

Let's all agree to move on....

[NavyNJ]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

At this point I am more than curious about the investigation, how and by whom it was conducted, what was found (and not found), who was interviewed, and what was done (and not done), what authorities were involved, who made the "plea bargain" offer, whether the offer could legally be made, and so on.

What is "the rest of the story"?

Actually, there might be some things you could do to try and discover some of all that. Maybe you could get a small group together on TOTV thru some PM's (you can probably guess who to invite) and draft some Florida Sunshine Law (Open Public Records) information requests and submit them to the various public agencies involved: Start local (CDD, SLCDD, VCCDD, PWAC, SCSO) and go up the chain to the higher level state agencies (State Atty. Office for Sumter County, Fish & Wildlife, the Southwest Water Mmgmnt Authority (or whatever it's called), etc.)

You will either get replies with various materials (correspondence, phone logs, emails, etc.), or maybe some of the materials will contain redacted passages, or maybe, you might just get some replies that state nothing can be released under one or more of the "open/active/ongoing investigation or case" exemptions of the Sunshine Law.

That might at least give you some idea whether the case is still active and being pursued, albeit at less than the speed of heat in a vacuum, or whether it has truly been closed. I, for one, would be quite interested to hear what you find out and what types of responses you receive. Go for it!!

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I am having a hard time understanding why you and your ilk cannot come to the accept the fact that the resitution has been made to the satisfaction of the district and probably the law enforcment community. As far as they are concerned this case is closed. When an offer of amnesty is made and accepted, that is usually it. You are not going to get your pound of flesh.

If you have put people behind bars as you say, then your are probably aware settlements are reached and court records are sealed to protect identities. We, the general public, are not going to findout the names of the person(s) responsible for the cutting. All you are doing now is bullying those that disagree with you.

Let's all agree to move on....

A very wise post. Thanks. It was definitely getting the political forum feel to it. Hmmm, I wonder why.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by NavyNJ

Actually, there might be some things you could do to try and discover some of all that. Maybe you could get a small group together on TOTV thru some PM's (you can probably guess who to invite) and draft some Florida Sunshine Law (Open Public Records) information requests and submit them to the various public agencies involved: Start local (CDD, SLCDD, VCCDD, PWAC, SCSO) and go up the chain to the higher level state agencies (State Atty. Office for Sumter County, Fish & Wildlife, the Southwest Water Mmgmnt Authority (or whatever it's called), etc.)

You will either get replies with various materials (correspondence, phone logs, emails, etc.), or maybe some of the materials will contain redacted passages, or maybe, you might just get some replies that state nothing can be released under one or more of the "open/active/ongoing investigation or case" exemptions of the Sunshine Law.

That might at least give you some idea whether the case is still active and being pursued, albeit at less than the speed of heat in a vacuum, or whether it has truly been closed. I, for one, would be quite interested to hear what you find out and what types of responses you receive. Go for it!!

And then a public lynching can be scheduled at Brownwood!!

[NavyNJ]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

And then a public lynching can be scheduled at Brownwood!!

Haha!! Little did they know when they chose that "theme" for that newest Town Square what it might lead to.....or did they??

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by NavyNJ

Actually, there might be some things you could do to try and discover some of all that. Maybe you could get a small group together on TOTV thru some PM's (you can probably guess who to invite) and draft some Florida Sunshine Law (Open Public Records) information requests and submit them to the various public agencies involved: Start local (CDD, SLCDD, VCCDD, PWAC, SCSO) and go up the chain to the higher level state agencies (State Atty. Office for Sumter County, Fish & Wildlife, the Southwest Water Mmgmnt Authority (or whatever it's called), etc.)

You will either get replies with various materials (correspondence, phone logs, emails, etc.), or maybe some of the materials will contain redacted passages, or maybe, you might just get some replies that state nothing can be released under one or more of the "open/active/ongoing investigation or case" exemptions of the Sunshine Law.

That might at least give you some idea whether the case is still active and being pursued, albeit at less than the speed of heat in a vacuum, or whether it has truly been closed. I, for one, would be quite interested to hear what you find out and what types of responses you receive. Go for it!!

I read and reread your post. Each time it got better. I got it the second time and enjoyed each subsequent reading. Thanks.

[Challenger]

"The lady doth protest too much"

Why are a few so anxious to end the discussion- debate, in this thread. Why do they deride the victums of a crime who are calling for a modecum of justice for an arrogant crime.

I do not want to see a public lynching, but I do want to see that the perpetrators are outed and at least pay for all of the costs that they have caused our community. If $25,000 is the correct amount then so be it. If not then I for one won't be satisfied until all cost are covered.

If the property that was destroyed was on public lands then CDD5 is not the only party with standing to bring action. How can they offer amnesty without judicial action?

Financially, as a resident of CDD8 the proportionate costs for me approaches $0. I however, think that fairness would require the perpetrators to pay all of the costs.

[outlaw]

Personally, I'm OK with spreading the cost over everyone SOUTH of 466...so what do you guys think about striping the multi modal path?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Challenger

"The lady doth protest too much"

Why are a few so anxious to end the discussion- debate, in this thread. Why do they deride the victums of a crime who are calling for a modecum of justice for an arrogant crime.

I do not want to see a public lynching, but I do want to see that the perpetrators are outed and at least pay for all of the costs that they have caused our community. If $25,000 is the correct amount then so be it. If not then I for one won't be satisfied until all cost are covered.

If the property that was destroyed was on public lands then CDD5 is not the only party with standing to bring action. How can they offer amnesty without judicial action?

Financially, as a resident of CDD8 the proportionate costs for me approaches $0. I however, think that fairness would require the perpetrators to pay all of the costs.

And why is this outing so important to you? Would that change your life? A scarlet letter perhaps?