[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

This is an example of WHY the police cite those driving golf carts over 20mph. I would like for the state to initiate a law that states that registered LSV's not be able to drive on cart paths. It won't happen, but one could wish. I have no problem with those that are in a hurry, passing me when safe to do so, but some are just reckless. If I am already moving at 20mph and someone passes me at about 30mph, that's a bit excessive. If you don't like the slow pace, then get out on the road where you really belong. And if you don't appreciate me hollering at you when you run a stop sign, call the police and report me.

I'm not referring to those who violate the law---they should get ticketed. My point was that authority resides with law enforcement, NOT an individual. I was responding to the concept that someone felt they were out here to "slow people down". If they are speeding, they should be dealt with by the authorities. If they are obeying the law, nobody has the right to "slow them down" any further. I certainly was not advocating speeding or running stop signs, just advocating for the rule of law.

[tomwed]

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
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3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

[njbchbum]

I figure that since the traffic indicator is red with a white STOP - it means stop; and that if it meant ROLL- it would be painted accordingly!

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a table.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

If it wasn't dangerous to "roll" through a stop sign then they would have put a yield sign there instead of a stop sign. And by the way, if the yield sign is red, then the law says you must come to a stop if there is traffic coming.

So then, I guess you agreed with New York City when they banned large soda drinks, because apparently they are "dangerous" to your health, or they wouldn't have banned them. There are many, many, many neighborhood intersections where a yield sign would be just fine. But some municipal agent, following the one size fits all cookie cutter safety policy, decided to place a stop sign instead.
I don't think I have ever seen a red yield sign.

[tomwed]

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

I would say most women stop (women tend to be more safety conscious than men; not that stopping is appreciably safer than rolling thru). But I have had more close calls with women cart drivers that speed around curves, passing other carts, in very dangerous scenarios.
I think your prediction is right on. Only the absolute most anal acting people stop at all intersections on the MMP. I don't believe those that claim they never go over the speed limit, either. They are either not paying attention to their speed, or they are lieing.

[biker1]

I would appreciate not being lumped into the same group as cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates ;-). I consider myself to be a more highly evolved form of scofflaw ;-)

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken

I suggest you expand your survey to include gender. I predict cyclists, cigar smokers and people with Patriots decals/plates will comprise a large percentage of the scofflaws. Might be interesting to conduct a second study just after closing time at the saloons.

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

10% for #1? I will take the under on that one. If you find any that actually come to a complete stop as defined by law, it is likely they forgot where they were going or are texting

[Matzy]

Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What would be interesting is to watch an intersection and count the vehicles that come to a complete stop when there is no cross traffic in plane view. In effect treating a stop sign like a yield sign. If there is traffic or another vehicle that wouldn't get counted.

My guess would be that only 10% of all vehicles come to a complete stop even when there is no cross traffic. I'll set up a chart.
.....car cart bike business truck
1]
2]
3-50]

I'll put a Y if they yield and an S if they stop.

I'll go to the intersection of Hendley and McLin later on. If I change my mind, I'll delete this.

I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I just got back from my survey. I only observed 35 vehicles before I left. It didn't take too long but I couldn't count any vehicle that came to a stop because there was cross traffic or another vehicle also crossing. There were many golf carts but they ran into traffic one way or the other.

Mostly men were driving but a few cars have tinted windows so I can't comment on men or women.

Only 1 car stopped and waited a a couple of seconds and the driver was female, below average in height and looked like she could have lived here for a while. There was only 2 golf carts and 1 bike. They yielded. As did the 25 cars and 6 trucks.

I predicted more people stopped at stop signs. There were no close calls and no one was the least bit excited that I could see.

That's a Florida stop.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Matzy

Ha, I am one of these guys which always comes to a complete STOP as defined by law, wait 2-3 seconds and then going on driving.
One time I did it and the driver behind me was very impatient and started honking. Bad situation because he didn't see the car behind him: A police car, which pulled him over right away.

Maybe the guy thought you fell asleep?

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by tomwed

What are your gender predictions? I may do gender but I don't think the numbers will be different.

If nobody is patrolling and no cars are coming--nobody but a few TOTV people are stopping. That's my prediction.

Gender...... overwhelmingly a male issue except


Close to 50/50 due to age related inattentiveness, having a dog or significant other as a passenger, or being Episcopalian.

[MDLNB]

I stop at all stop signs, even if in a hurry. However, I do speed in my golf cart. I am sure it will do 22-23mph on level ground. I'm not anal, just a former COP that has seen way too many bad accidents due to reckless operation and violating stop signs and traffic lights. I don't consider a bit of speeding on a highway to be reckless, but speeding on 10mph neighborhood streets when seniors are walking their dogs, I consider dangerous.