[Pointer]

I don't think that putting camera's on stop signs is a very good idea. The cost would be prohibitive. I'd rather think that we don't need more big brother monitoring our behavior, but that we can manage without it.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by mikeod

The car coming from 3 o'clock should not enter until after the cars that entered at 6 o'clock have passed. You don't enter if there are cars in either lane to your left already in the roundabout. That means that even if there is only a car in the inside lane, you still don't enter the outside lane until they have passed. This prevents the scenario you described from happening.

That's the part that a lot of folks don't get, or adhere to. The yield signs at the roundabout entrances mean yield to both lanes. If there is someone in either lane, don't enter till they've passed and both lanes are clear. And don't pass anyone, either.

[JCMSr]

Originally Posted by CFrance

That's the part that a lot of folks don't get, or adhere to. The yield signs at the roundabout entrances mean yield to both lanes. If there is someone in either lane, don't enter till they've passed and both lanes are clear. And don't pass anyone, either.

Could not agree more with this! Cannot count the number of times I have watched a driver enter the roundabout from the right lane, move to the left land at 3:00 and then back to the right to exit at 12:00. For what? Just so they can speed through the roundabout a few miles an hour faster??? I just wait until both lanes are clear and proceed.

[Christine G]

This topic has been going on too long, tax, taxi, who cares, just be careful out there!

[slipcovers]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Yes, I'm one of those people!

The circles are a hazard because everyone drives them differently and they are too small in diameter for the purpose they were designed to handle.
Or were they simply put in as eye candy for would-be buyers to say how beautiful they are???
Did you have all these circles where you came from? No! No one did.
You had traffic lights and stop signs.
Were they a problem?
I'm sure not, with perhaps an issue or two here and there which could happen anywhere.

The truth of the matter is that the circles are a nightmare.
They do not control traffic; they only confuse and intimidate most driveers.
No one knows how to drive around them.

So why would stop signs be so terrible here when stop signs are what everyone that lives here is used to and probably what they grew up with their entire life.

Huh?

HELLO !! Everyone posting on this thread is saying how dangerous stop signs are.

If you get rid of the circles and wanted to go in the opposite direction, one would have to turn right and go to the next traffic light and make a u turn...of course there would have to be another lane for turning,,, making BV or Morse a 3 lane each side. People would still try to run the light or perhaps drive across 6 lanes of traffic. But of course, you are the expert.

People need more education on the circles....homeowners need to leave very detailed instructions for renters. Daily Sun also should. There are no more traffic problems in TV than any other desirable part of Florida. Old people are very dangerous so, as someone posted, Drive defensively.


There are plenty of circles where I come from in different sizes. Cape Cod has them everywhere and traffic in the Summer is worse than TV. Circles are all over the UK and Australia....Mostly small ones. Encountered many in California.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by slipcovers

HELLO !! Everyone posting on this thread is saying how dangerous stop signs are.

If you get rid of the circles and wanted to go in the opposite direction, one would have to turn right and go to the next traffic light and make a u turn...of course there would have to be another lane for turning,,, making BV or Morse a 3 lane each side. People would still try to run the light or perhaps drive across 6 lanes of traffic. But of course, you are the expert.

People need more education on the circles....homeowners need to leave very detailed instructions for renters. Daily Sun also should. There are no more traffic problems in TV than any other desirable part of Florida. Old people are very dangerous so, as someone posted, Drive defensively.

There are plenty of circles where I come from in different sizes. Cape Cod has them everywhere and traffic in the Summer is worse than TV. Circles are all over the UK and Australia....Mostly small ones. Encountered many in California.

HELLO!!!

EVERYONE posting on this thread is not saying how dangerous stop signs are. Everyone means 100%.
I never said I was an expert. You said it and that comment is offensive.

Removing a circle would create tons of room for making a left or right hand turn.
You would not have to make Buena Vista and Morse three lanes; there would not be a reason to do that.
Of course removing them would never happen and we are only speaking hypothetically.
However, unless there's something wrong with my thinking, if a circle was removed and you wanted to go in the opposite direction,
you simply make a U-turn at the intersection.
And yes -- a turn lane could be created because it would be so easy to do.

People do not need more education regarding navigating circles.
Everyone drives them in a different way and you will never convince the public at learge to all do it the same way.
It's always "the other guy" who is wrong.

Homeowners and the newspaper need to leave detailed instructions to renters? Isn't that going a little too far?
Having lived in Florida for many years, yes -- there are more traffic problems here than other parts of Florida,
particularly in areas which are flooded with snowbirds in season.

People run red lights and stop signs all over the world and nothing is going to change.
It happens and will continue to happen. Nothing new there.

Where is it that you are from that there are plenty of circles?
You mention other specific areas but failed to mention that.

There are circles in all areas of the country, but there is no place that is overwhelmed with them as here.
Yes, Australia has some and in the UK they are very old. Not a good example.
I don't know what part of California you mean, but I have never encountered "many of them."
I think some of your comments are exaggerations.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Rango

I'm seasonal. In my home county everyone uses turn signals and stop at stop signs.

We also have 3 reported rapes a week and average 20 murders per year.

We sure have a serious problem here in The Villages

Originally Posted by slipcovers

Excuse me,BONANZA, my question was to Rambo.....what County would have 20 murders? And there is nothing humorous about rapes and murders.

Rambo made a post for anyone to read.
Everyone is entitled to comment to a post made on this forum because it is public.

Rambo did not say there was anything humorous about rapes and murders.
However, his comment, if understood, was funny.
He was simply pointing out how insignificant the issue of stops signs,
turn signals, etc., is when compared to rapes and murders.

Obviously, he was being facetious in saying we have a serious problem here in TV!

[dotti105]

Wow! People are really blowing this out of proportion. I don't think any comments are to be taken personally. It is a topic of concern and various viewpoints will be expressed.

Why are some of you on the offense here? Very odd.

Lots of roundabouts in the Salt Lake City suburbs in Utah. Lots in Clearwater, Florida, lots in Folsom, El Dorado Hills, Roseville, areas of Ca. Many places with newer neighborhoods are using roundabouts to expedite traffic control. My hubby retired from Utah dept of transportation and we see them everywhere we travel.

They are new to many and seem strange at first, but are a great way to keep traffic in all directions moving. Caution is the key, as always, when driving.

Drive defensively and with courtesy!! Simple as that! Oh, good idea to obey traffic laws too. Like stop signs!!!

[slipcovers]

Originally Posted by Bonanza;93***0

It's pretty obvious that Rango thinks there isn't any problem here in TV,
when you take into consideration what is going on in other cities.

What's happening here is "small potatoes" in comparison.

Rango, I like your humor!

No, Rango did not find it humorous,...this was your quote.


According to Wikapedia "At junctions with stop signs or traffic lights, the most serious accidents are right angle, left turn or head on collisions, where vehicles move fast and collide at high impact angles, e.g. head on. Roundabouts virtually eliminate those types of crashes. Instead, most crashes are glancing blows at low angles of impact."


I cant imagine trying to make a u turn at a stop sign, proceeding across 4 lanes of traffic to head in the opposite direction. One would definitely need side air bags.

[Bill Tasker]

We have vacationed at TV for years (18+) and I have to say as far as driving goes, this vacation was the rudest I have ever experienced at TV. Aggressive, short tempered, horn blowing, bird flying, ignoring stop signs, yelling, etc.. On one occasion I was cut off by a cart driver at LSL, making an illegal left turn on a red light almost causing the tailgater behind me to hit us. He then proceeded to yell he has the right of way “because he lives there.” At another intersection as soon as the light turned green, the gal behind me in her SUV blows her horn. I guess she was late for her tee time.

[Chazz]

Originally Posted by JCMSr

Could not agree more with this! Cannot count the number of times I have watched a driver enter the roundabout from the right lane, move to the left land at 3:00 and then back to the right to exit at 12:00. For what? Just so they can speed through the roundabout a few miles an hour faster??? I just wait until both lanes are clear and proceed.

Ahh, lane surfing! That's a pet peeve of mine, and can be very dangerous.

Regarding our roundabouts and the rules for traveling in them, there are signs that indicate the proper usage in the approaches to each of them

[Kahuna32162]

And how do those signs help you when someone cuts in front of you to because you were following the rules and they didn't have a clue? This is not a snow bird thing, it happens everyday.

[Kahuna32162]

Also, I think we should put this to rest, it's getting ugly!

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by CFrance

That's the part that a lot of folks don't get, or adhere to. The yield signs at the roundabout entrances mean yield to both lanes. If there is someone in either lane, don't enter till they've passed and both lanes are clear. And don't pass anyone, either.

Originally Posted by JCMSr

Could not agree more with this! Cannot count the number of times I have watched a driver enter the roundabout from the right lane, move to the left land at 3:00 and then back to the right to exit at 12:00. For what? Just so they can speed through the roundabout a few miles an hour faster??? I just wait until both lanes are clear and proceed.

You are absolutely correct in what you are saying. But here's where the real problem is:

The green sign as you approach the circle, tells you how you should drive around the circle. But then you get to the actual circle where we have painted lines within the circle. The painted lines belie what the green signs say. Dotted lines on any road, say you can change lanes.

Is it any wonder the circles are a problem? In actuality, the guy who was changing lanes was within his legal right, according to the dotted lines.

So which do you follow . . . the green sign or the dotted lines???

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by slipcovers

No, Rango did not find it humorous,...this was your quote.


According to Wikapedia "At junctions with stop signs or traffic lights, the most serious accidents are right angle, left turn or head on collisions, where vehicles move fast and collide at high impact angles, e.g. head on. Roundabouts virtually eliminate those types of crashes. Instead, most crashes are glancing blows at low angles of impact."


I cant imagine trying to make a u turn at a stop sign, proceeding across 4 lanes of traffic to head in the opposite direction. One would definitely need side air bags.

You need to make your posts more clear. It appears that your quote was referencing me when you mentioned Rango's comment about rapes and murders. This was your quote verbatim:


Originally Posted by slipcovers View Post

Excuse me,BONANZA, my question was to Rango.....what County would have 20 murders? And there is nothing humorous about rapes and murders.

Regarding the Wikipedia (correct spelling) quote. Where did the quote come from. Wikipedia always makes reference to the source.

Also, I never said anything regarding making a U-turn at a stop sign. A U-turn can be at a traffic light or in the middle of a road or actually, anywhere there is a turn lane.

You still haven't mentioned what city you were from where you said there are many circles. Where is this?