[outlaw]

Interesting article in The Telegraph today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1213...-highways.html

[blueash]

And if you bother to click on the link and read the article what it says totally SUPPORTS the use of side stripes or center lines to help drivers see the road especially in wet dark conditions which is exactly why many here have asked for stripes. The removal was done in well lit central city locations and only looked at average speed as an outcome showing that removing the center strip made drivers slow down especially when there was an oncoming car. There is no link to the data or a report from the agency which would likely list whether this speed improvement was daytime or night or whether it brought speeders down to the posted limit or brought careful motorists to below the posted speed. This is similar to how we all slow down when another cart is approaching as we cross the Morse bridge. Here is the money quote from the article

“In particular, highly visible markings at the edge and centre of the road that can be seen on a wet night are enormously cost-effective in saving lives" although there is no cited evidence for that statement.

I suppose installing lights all along the path to mimic the brightness of the roads in central London would be an alternative which would lessen the possible safety benefit of stripes.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by blueash

And if you bother to click on the link and read the article what it says totally SUPPORTS the use of side stripes or center lines to help drivers see the road especially in wet dark conditions which is exactly why many here have asked for stripes. The removal was done in well lit central city locations and only looked at average speed as an outcome showing that removing the center strip made drivers slow down especially when there was an oncoming car. This is similar to how we all slow down when another cart is approaching as we cross the Morse bridge. Here is the money quote from the article

“In particular, highly visible markings at the edge and centre of the road that can be seen on a wet night are enormously cost-effective in saving lives" although there is no cited evidence for that statement.

First off you shouldn't need to slow down on the Morse Ave bridge if another cart is coming from the opposite direction because you should already going 10MPH which is the speed limit.

Second I know of no deaths because someone couldn't see the edge or middle or a cart path. Deaths usually involve cars and strips won't help with that.

[blueash]

I found the original data reported here from a report in 2014, why the telegraph is writing about it in 2016 is ??

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/centre-line-removal-trial.pdf

On three short segments of highway up to 650 meters, they removed the center markings and speeds lowered especially when there were oncoming cars from average speeds that were at or above the 30 MPH posted limit to still above to below the postings. All these streets were resurfaced and a series of side stripes were included in all of them both marking the side of the road surface and bike/bus lanes. All the streets have street lights. The report indicates that speeds were recorded at non-peak times but does not report whether night conditions were monitored or just daytime. Here are a before and after set of markings from the report:

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Interesting article in The Telegraph today:
End of the road for white lines on highways - Telegraph

A ridiculous comparison. Shoulder striping/reflectors are needed here for sharp curves and exits to tunnels, at minimum.

Once again that gnawing fear of a imagined $1 increase in fees comes up with those who apparently don't drive after dusk. Most people here do go out of their homes after 6:00pm!

[billethkid]

Oh no, not again!

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh no, not again!

I guess the gates got fixed.

[rexxfan]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh no, not again!

Roger that.
--
Bob C

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh no, not again!

And the bikers are biking.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh no, not again!

And Seat Saver Syndrome has been cured.

[outlaw]

I posted the link because I thought it was interesting, and would be of interest to many in TV. I did not post it to support either striping or not striping.

[rubicon]

Please, please I'm begging you I don't need no stinking strips! I have traveled the MMP's everywhere in TV before dawn for almost 10 years. Never once did I lose sight of the MMP because they lacked strips along the edge

Not often do I see a pedestrian walking wherein a cart driver slows or stops because there is an oncoming cart. NO they pull to the middle pass the pedestrian as they drive by the oncoming cart. so I conclude from that repeated performance for almost 10 years no stinking middle strip is going to stop those driver from crossing over to get past a pedestrian.

This topic apparently has a life of its own

[JoMar]

When will it end....oh, when will it end.

[Chatbrat]

Instead of stripes they should install ripple strips, like they do of the interstate-

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

Instead of stripes they should install ripple strips, like they do of the interstate-

Yea or those water barriers in case you crash that will cushion the impact