[Grumpyoldvillager]

If shopping is so dangerous why aren’t we hearing of abnormally high incidence of covid among shop employees?

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Grumpyoldvillager

If shopping is so dangerous why aren’t we hearing of abnormally high incidence of covid among shop employees?

Excellent point.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's not trivial. The fact that you think it is, is part of why we have the rules in the first place. Because there are some people who will deny there's even a problem that needs to be solved, while people are dying from the non-existent problem.

And - if you "get nose to nose" with someone during a pandemic while there are actual rules requiring you to keep your distance, don't be surprised some day, if someone calls the police to complain about being physically harassed and threatened. You can get nose to nose with an officer.

Did I say the problem was trivia? Did I deny there was a problem? No I did not! It is trivial to get all bent out of shape if a person absentmindedly goes the wrong way. I'm not one of them yet, thank God, but there people whose mental faculties aren't what they should be and easily get confused or distracted. You don't have any idea why they do what they do. If you politely mention to them they are not following rules and they come back with a nasty attitude then you know they are cognizant of their actions. If it makes you feel good get nasty back but to come on with an insulting and superior attitude first is boorish behavior.

If you come onto me with insulting and provocative language I might take that as being "physically harassed and threatened." There are laws against instigating a confrontation. Both of us might be nose to nose with a police officer.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by JoMar

As long as you recognize your error and turn around tht's great, but if you continue you will pass within the 6' and that's your bad. So nose to nose goes both ways, a bit like Russian Roulette, you don't know what's in their nose and it it's coming at you.

Did I not say when I recognized my error and immediately turned around to go in the correct direction? There is no way in a crowded grocery store you can always maintain a 6' distance. I'm not going to stand and wait for someone to spend an inordinate amount of time looking over the ingredients label. I'm going to pass them and be on my way. I spend as little time in the store as can to reduce my chance of contracting a virus. Do you realize how long it would take to get your shopping done if you couldn't pass up someone blocking the way? When you check out and pay are you 6' away from the cashier or the person bagging the groceries? It is less than 4' in most stores so there goes the 6' guideline. As far as Russian Roulette, I'm not worried.

[Marty94]

Before I moved to The Villages, I shopped exclusively for groceries at military commissaries. The isles were marked on the overhead with direction arrows. I really liked this system as you could maneuver past slower shoppers with ease. When I moved to the Villages, I kept looking overhead for the signage out of habit. I found myself in isles waiting for shoppers to pass in the opposite direction so I could get around someone in front of me. It was like trying to pass a car with oncoming traffic. It was a little frustrating at times, but I kept reminding myself to slow down. I may be in the minority, but I like one way isles, especially in those stores with narrow isles. I think it just comes down to what you are used to as we are creatures of habit.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Shame on anyone in this thread who is still entering supermarkets. You are endangering all of us.

99.9% of all coronavirus cases happen indoors.

Risk of contagion drops dramatically when you are outside. In a study of three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 inf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

I suggest you all stop worrying about masks and lane arrows and utilize grocery curbside pickup or delivery services. Then go out and play some golf, pickleball, or softball. Much less risky behavior.

Grocery stores would not be able to meet the demand using curbside or home delivery.

[cathy p]

I love the one way isles and I also love Fresh Market as you walk up the sign reads to wear a mask. Oh the poor Village people, what shall you do now?
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[Magajane]

Publix here in Spanish Springs has been that way for quite some time. People are still going the wrong way. I’d be embarrassed to do that.
They now have clear plastic shields at check out. Good for them. Glad to see them taking care of their work staff.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Rosie1950

Anyone ever shop at a Stew Leonard’s?
The isles have always been one way. 2 things happened if u don’t follow the flow. 1) you are chastised by fellow shoppers and in CT it’s VERY direct no sugar added. 2) if u try to leave an isle without going ALL the way through the store, it’s 90% impossible to find the checkouts.
Here at Publix I rather like the one way, if it happens to be busy it’s much easier to get out of an isle with the shoppers that look, touch and feel everything. I don’t mind those shoppers to each his own, I hate shopping so I like to get in and out.
And I won’t go to Stew’s again the place is huge and I don’t want to walk the store if I’m done shopping.

i miss Stew's!!!! esp their wicked bakery!

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Grumpyoldvillager

If shopping is so dangerous why aren’t we hearing of abnormally high incidence of covid among shop employees?

It's certainly not as dangerous as working in a hospital with coronavirus patients, but it is definitely has more risk of exposure than playing golf for example. The study I linked previously showed that 99.9% of cases were from indoors.

Grocery store workers (and shoppers) are at risk. These reports just talk about deaths, not cases of those infected

At least 30 grocery store workers have died from the coronavirus. Now, there's an urgent call to designate them as first responders - CBS News

Grocery store worker deaths from coronavirus at least 30 nationwide - Business Insider

Can You Get Coronavirus from the Grocery Store? - The Atlantic

[zonerboy]

It seems obvious that many posting here have zero understanding of the concept of risk. Perhaps that is because risk is a variable, not a constant. What I mean is that if two different behaviors are considered risky, the wise person chooses the one with the least risk. Example, which behavior entails the most risk of contracting Covid-19 ??? #1 two persons stand facing each other six feet apart having a conversation for 5 minutes, or #2 two persons who turn heads away from each other, do not speak, but come within three feet of each other while spending 2 seconds passing in a grocery store aisle?

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

What happens when these people arrive at the register with multiple items that have restrictions of the amount of purchase? Do the cashiers make the customer aware that "There is a limit on how many packages of toilet paper can be purchased?" Then, does the cashier remove the excess packages from the order of what ever the customer was attempting to purchase such as toilet paper? Is this what happens? I surely hope so.

yes, they take the xtra pkg from the shopper. they did it to a lady in line ahead of me @ wynn-dixie. she was pretty upset, but hey, what can you do. we have to be fair in all of this

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

It seems obvious that many posting here have zero understanding of the concept of risk. Perhaps that is because risk is a variable, not a constant. What I mean is that if two different behaviors are considered risky, the wise person chooses the one with the least risk. Example, which behavior entails the most risk of contracting Covid-19 ??? #1 two persons stand facing each other six feet apart having a conversation for 5 minutes, or #2 two persons who turn heads away from each other, do not speak, but come within three feet of each other while spending 2 seconds passing in a grocery store aisle?

Perhaps you missed the cough/sneeze cloud simulation made by a group of scientists at Helsinki University.

sneeze cloud in a grocery store - Bing video

Perhaps you did not read the study I posted in this thread where it was determined that 99.9% of coronavirus infections happen indoors.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

It's very simple, risk of catching coronavirus is much much higher indoors with other people than it is outside.

[DON10E]

The pages of this thread I read did not seem to give a scientific reason that one way aisles in the supermarket are safer. It’s the same number of people, isn’t it? When I’ve gone shopping I felt like I was on a game show. The item I want is six feet away, but I have to go all the way around to get it. I’m good with that if there’s a good reason why. It seems like it takes me a lot longer to complete my shopping and doesn’t that mean we are all spending more time in an enclosed area? So how is that safer?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand. Anyone?

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Perhaps you missed the cough/sneeze cloud simulation made by a group of scientists at Helsinki University.

sneeze cloud in a grocery store - Bing video

Perhaps you did not read the study I posted in this thread where it was determined that 99.9% of coronavirus infections happen indoors.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...058v1.full.pdf

It's very simple, risk of catching coronavirus is much much higher indoors with other people than it is outside.

I’m thinking back to all of the shopping trips I’ve made here over the last seven years. I cannot remember anyone sneezing or coughing near me. Maybe I’ve been lucky