Old Topic, but I still can't solve this: CYV light & fan out in master bathroom

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Old 11-11-2024, 09:58 PM
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Default Old Topic, but I still can't solve this: CYV light & fan out in master bathroom

CYV about 5 yo with light and its fan out in ceiling of Roman walk-in shower in master bathroom. 2 GFCI outlets by paired sinks also out. Other lights and fan by toilet are fine. The circuit breaker in garage has flipped and when I move it totally to the off position and then attempt to reset it, it won't reset. I cannot find any GFCI outlets in villa with a test and reset buttons. I only have two outlets in garage and both work and do not have test buttons either.
3 questions: If the light bulb is now blown (it would usually light slowly and slowly get brighter as a norm), would that trip the circuit and also affect the fan, and the daisy chained outlets by the sinks?
Or, is the problem with the circuit breaker and how can I tell that?
Where do I get one of those bulbs that lights slowly, to full bright?

Also wondering where that outlet would be with the 2 reset/test buttons.

What a bummer to solve! Thanks for ideas.
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If you posted before and no luck then it’s time to bite the bullet and call an electrician. The breaker is tripping for a reason and electric is nothing to mess with it could be your home or life if not diagnosed properly or let go, IMO. Your post should read can you recommend an electrician?
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What brand is the breaker? If they are Eaton, they have a defect but are warranted for 10 years. You have to go through Eaton directly. My master bath was doing the same thing. I replaced the breaker and the problems stopped.
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Remove the bulb and see if the problem clears. I have never seen a bulb that slowly turns on, I suspect you have a bad connection somewhere that caused this effect and it has now failed completely. Also, I have seen a GFCI hidden in a closet next to the shower.

Now if none of this helps, as noted above, call an electrician.
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Remove the bulb and see if the problem clears. I have never seen a bulb that slowly turns on, I suspect you have a bad connection somewhere that caused this effect and it has now failed completely. Also, I have seen a GFCI hidden in a closet next to the shower.

Now if none of this helps, as noted above, call an electrician.
I have some CFL bulbs that produce fewer lumens when first switched on and reach full brightness after maybe a minute. I suspect that is what the OP is seeing.
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I have some CFL bulbs that produce fewer lumens when first switched on and reach full brightness after maybe a minute. I suspect that is what the OP is seeing.
OMG, I forgot about those, good point, I was thinking incandescent as LED types would not do this.
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Probably GFCI or AFCI ckt breaker. If Fault protection is in the breaker, none of the protected outlets would have buttons.
ArcFault breakers are quite sensitive and prone to failure.
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Does your breaker have the 2nd slide switch on top of it? Some are colored while while others are black no color. Most of the time you only need to reset this smaller switch. If you reset the larger breaker switch it still won’t reset the smaller switch. When I built a new house 10 years ago, most of my single pole breakers had these 2nd switches and the electrical code was to put them in any new house at the time. I had the electrician come back and he replaced most of them with standard breakers and never had a problem again. When I sold the house I put the original breakers back in
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Never heard of a light bulb that comes on dim and gradually gets brighter. That is a very good place to start looking. Something about that fixture is wrong and a good place for an electrician to start looking
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Breakers sometime fail when they trip. If they are ground fault they tend to fail in more frequently and in a safe state ( which means it won’t close again). When changing the breaker, If you have a multi meter I would test resistance to ground on the wire you remove from the breaker. There should not be a path to ground if all fan/light switches are off. If you turn them on there still shouldn’t be a very low resistance to ground. If there is, you can at least narrow it down to where the issue is. I suspect it’s just the breaker failing after an actual problem.
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CYV about 5 yo with light and its fan out in ceiling of Roman walk-in shower in master bathroom. 2 GFCI outlets by paired sinks also out. Other lights and fan by toilet are fine. The circuit breaker in garage has flipped and when I move it totally to the off position and then attempt to reset it, it won't reset. I cannot find any GFCI outlets in villa with a test and reset buttons. I only have two outlets in garage and both work and do not have test buttons either.
3 questions: If the light bulb is now blown (it would usually light slowly and slowly get brighter as a norm), would that trip the circuit and also affect the fan, and the daisy chained outlets by the sinks?
Or, is the problem with the circuit breaker and how can I tell that?
Where do I get one of those bulbs that lights slowly, to full bright?

Also wondering where that outlet would be with the 2 reset/test buttons.

What a bummer to solve! Thanks for ideas.
Do the GFI outlets work when you plug something into them? Is there a GFI outlet in the master bathroom? Does it test properly when you press the test & Reset buttons? Have you looked at your outside outlets to see if any of the GFI outlets are tripped? Have you tried to replace the bulb with a new and tested bulb? Try a standard bulb. Is there a dimmer switch controlling the bulb that comes on slowly? Could be the dimmer switch. If the simple things do not make a difference, time to call an electrician.
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Call the electrican whose sticker is in the box of the panel. That's who wired the home. They will tell you how to reset the breaker. Seems they are a little different than the older traditional box breakers. You must move the breaker switch to the off position and hold it there for about 10 seconds count then move it to the on position. Breaker should then hold. Hope that does the trick for you. We encountered the exact problem when we moved here 1 yr ago and the same light and plug outlets affected.
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>2 GFCI outlets by paired sinks also out. Other lights and fan by toilet are fine.
Do you mean the 2 dead outlets are both the type with GFCI test and reset buttons? Or are they on a common circuit with a GFCI circuit breaker?

I do not recall if you mentioned if there is a GFCI breaker that is tripping? Or is it a regular breaker? Post a picture.

>The circuit breaker in garage has flipped and when I move it totally to the off position and then attempt to reset it, it won't reset.
Try moving it to the full off position, and leave it there for a few minutes. Then try reset.

>If the light bulb is now blown ... would that trip the circuit
If bulb is shorted, then it should trip breaker. Not generally a GFCI issue, but a simple overload. Put in a new bulb. Easier than trying to guess.
If that is tripping a GFCI, that means there is a current leak path from the hot lines to ground. That should not happen in a light bulb fixture. That would be a wiring problem (frayed, pierced...)
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There have been several people who have offered suggestions and help.
OP is silent. Would be nice to hear back and see if things were solved, and what the problem was if fixed.
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Old 11-17-2024, 10:15 AM
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There have been several people who have offered suggestions and help.
OP is silent. Would be nice to hear back and see if things were solved, and what the problem was if fixed.
I agree and even sent a PM to help with no reply.
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