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Old 04-20-2013, 06:17 AM
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I'll tell you why. Because we don't think the PETS are dirty, distasteful or anything else!!!! It's the numerous OWNERS who are the problem!

Every week there is another dog poop thread that accumulates dozens and hundreds of posts, with thousands of views, about the numerous inconsiderate, disrespectful, irresponsible dog owners who let their dogs crap on other people's lawns and rec center and pool/postal station lawns, and do not pick up after the dog, and their dog urine kills grass that has cost money to plant and maintain.

There have also been lengthy threads about the ignoramuses who pick up their dog's crap at the pool/postal station, and throw it into the trash cans by our postal boxes, creating a disgusting stench coming out of the trash cans. It's been discussed ad nauseaum whether there should be dog crap disposal receptacles there.

Then there have also been several threads about people wanting to keep dogs out of the town square dance and seating areas, because they have stepped in manure that the dog owners did not pick up, and what's a person going to do to get rid of manure off their shoes while there at the square?!?! Buy new shoes? Go to SweetBay and buy a spatula and toothpicks to dig and scrape the crap out from between all the treads? Or go home to get different shoes? Either way, that person's night is done when they step in a dog pile.

The real problem is that the limitation of only credentialed service dogs being allowed inside and outside restaurants in FL is disappearing, with various communities adopting ordinances allowing PET dogs, cats, and other pet animals to be in restaurant dining areas.

If that gets approved in TV, the irresponsible, selfish, egotistical "I don't give a damn" dog owners cited in all the infamous dog poop threads here will be "exercising their rights"....and there WILL be dog manure left under restaurant tables....or in walkways where servers carrying loaded food trays will slip on fresh dog crap and they will fall with food platters flying. All the dog poop threads here leave NO doubt this is what will happen if PET dogs and other animals are allowed in restaurant dining areas here in TV.

And already, the enablers here are making excuses for scofflaws.
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Old 04-20-2013, 08:35 AM
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There are probably more men in TV that have "dribbles" than dogs!

ILOVE TV - you have to be kidding me???

And I'm just curious - some people complaining are saying ok to service dogs, but have a problem with non/service dogs being dirty. Not sure how you can make that distinction?
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ILOVETV - this all sounds like a "crock of s---" to me. Keep in mind that TV is comprised of folks who thought they were moving to a really tolerant, friendly, and understanding community of like minded individuals. Old folks have pets and pets pee and poop outdoors, hopefully. You can't pick up pee but the poop is a different story - should be picked up and if not people should be fined. Remember, all those wild critters you don't believe are in TV are doing their number on your lawn. Loosen up and enjoy. No one really cares how cool your lawn looks but they do care about how "America"s friendliest hometown" looks to the next new neighbor. Just my humble opinion.
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I have seen many posts saying that the restaurant cannot ask whether the dog is a service dog. That is not correct. From the ADA requirements:
Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals

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Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal’s work or the individual’s disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals
When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

So the restaurant can ask if the animal is a service dog related to a disability but cannot ask what the disability might be although it can ask what special skill the animal has acquired (that would seem to indirectly identify most disabilities)
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I do believe Comfort dogs are a type of therapy dog. These Comfort/therapy dogs were available when students arrived back to school, Sandy Hook Elementry.

Probably wasn't the best idea to bring three large dogs into the restaurant, but since they are therapy dogs, they probably can go in and be with their handlers.
Therapy dogs are not service or assistance dogs. Service dogs directly assist humans and have a legal right to accompany their owners in most areas. In the United States, service dogs are legally protected at the federal level by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Therapy dogs do not provide direct assistance and are not mentioned in the Americans with Disabilities Act
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I have seen many posts saying that the restaurant cannot ask whether the dog is a service dog. That is not correct. From the ADA requirements:
Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals

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Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal’s work or the individual’s disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals
When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

So the restaurant can ask if the animal is a service dog related to a disability but cannot ask what the disability might be although it can ask what special skill the animal has acquired (that would seem to indirectly identify most disabilities)
I haven't seen any posts saying a restaurant manager or employee cannot ask if a dog is a service animal and since I'm not inclined to read all 199 posts in this thread I'll leave that alone. I cannot imagine a situation where the restaurant owner or manager would not want to know if the dog in question is a service dog. That of course is one of the two questions which may be asked. I suspect that you believe that by asking what work or tasks a dog is trained to perform they can determine the handlers disability. That may be true in some cases but certainly not all, just as the disability of some handlers will be obvious but others are much more difficult to determine by observation.
What people seem to have a problem with is that the dog does not have to wear a tag or vest and the handler is not required to produce any documentation or certification for the dog. I think in most cases these would be moot points since often the handler would voluntarily show these documents.
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There is a serious amount of training that goes on in the making of a service dog. Our dog has been through three obedience/socialization courses, but I can't imagine taking him, even at age 5, inside a restaurant without the proper guide dog training. Especially a golden retriever, which a lot of guide dogs are--they have to greet every single person on earth. Personally, and up close. Yes, they calm down eventually and will sit quietly, but those first couple of minutes would give them away. They wag their tails beginning at the hips. Actually, the tail wags the dog.

He does really well outside on restaurant porches, but in a confined indoor seating space... I/he couldn't pull off the scam.
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There are probably more men in TV that have "dribbles" than dogs!

ILOVE TV - you have to be kidding me???

And I'm just curious - some people complaining are saying ok to service dogs, but have a problem with non/service dogs being dirty. Not sure how you can make that distinction?


I agree, there is no distinction. A dog is a dog and does not know whether or not it is a service dog.
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ILOVETV - this all sounds like a "crock of s---" to me. Keep in mind that TV is comprised of folks who thought they were moving to a really tolerant, friendly, and understanding community of like minded individuals. Old folks have pets and pets pee and poop outdoors, hopefully. You can't pick up pee but the poop is a different story - should be picked up and if not people should be fined. Remember, all those wild critters you don't believe are in TV are doing their number on your lawn. Loosen up and enjoy. No one really cares how cool your lawn looks but they do care about how "America"s friendliest hometown" looks to the next new neighbor. Just my humble opinion.
Well said!! I'm glad I already bought my house because if I hadn't and read some of the posts on this forum, I would certainly be doubting the friendliness of TV.
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Well said!! I'm glad I already bought my house because if I hadn't and read some of the posts on this forum, I would certainly be doubting the friendliness of TV.

As Gracie would say, "Boy Howdy!" You are so correct. I would have thought this was a terrible place. Occasionally I "swear off" reading this site because it can bring so much negativity into my life. I love our Village Life.
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As Gracie would say, "Boy Howdy!" You are so correct. I would have thought this was a terrible place. Occasionally I "swear off" reading this site because it can bring so much negativity into my life. I love our Village Life.

Today....I just read a bunch of posts where again the theme was negativity. From bad food to bad developer to being lied to by salespeople.

I don't know why that always makes me want to react. AND DEFEND.


My mother told me don't say ALL when you mean SOME. And sometimes a closed mouth is better than repeating unverified gossip.

ABOUT food, my mother said.... noone wants to hear how you hate it, it just isn't interesting to other people.

When you attack someone for no reason, people wonder what your reason is.

I say to the same people over and over...just go ahead and color it ugly, for whatever reason you want to.

I, ME, Gracie, think this is a great place and I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and I don't blame other people for my own mistakes. If I eat somewhere and don't like it, I don't go back. If I can get a better deal financing, I go to another lending institution. If I didn't buy a big enough lot than I can't have the kick to my garage and unless and until someone comes on here and says they have met the developers and know them personally, I will not pay attention to what you have to say...negative or positive.

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When you attack someone for no reason, people wonder what your reason is.
Excellent point.

Do you think that should also apply to those who attack others.......just because they relate a less than perfect experience?

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There are probably more men in TV that have "dribbles" than dogs!

ILOVE TV - you have to be kidding me???.......
No, I wasn't kidding.

4/17/13 -- "BONITA SPRINGS — The doggy bag concept took on a whole new meaning during Wednesday’s Bonita Springs City Council meeting.

The council unanimously adopted an ordinance that will allow restaurants with outdoor seating to apply for permits that would let patrons bring their dogs to dinner.

The law reflects current practice at local outdoor establishments, council members agreed, but with a few new guidelines.

“We should have something about the disposal of doggy waste,” Councilwoman Martha Simons said. “Maybe add that waste should be wrapped in a Baggie and thrown in a Dumpster away from the service area. You want to avoid flies.”

Simons’ suggestion was added to the ordinance, which goes into effect in 30 days...."

Bone appetit: Bonita Springs to allow dogs at restaurants with outdoor tables » Naples Daily News

April 27, 2012
By Sandra Pedicini, Orlando Sentinel

WINTER PARK — For years, dog owners brought their furry friends to Hillstone in Winter Park, letting them hang out on the lawn and patio at the restaurant overlooking Lake Killarney.

But this month, Hillstone kicked out the dogs.

"The number of guests bringing dogs was increasing and increasing, and the complaints from our other guests were increasing as well," said Todd Martin, Hillstone's general manager.

Restaurants, hotels and shopping areas are making accommodations for pets, and in Florida more local governments are giving official blessing to "doggie dining." But welcoming Fido and Fluffy can become an expensive hassle that sometimes gets businesses in the doghouse with other customers.....

Some diners have a bone to pick with dogs at restaurants - Orlando Sentinel
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Big difference between allow through permit and required!

I still think there are practical problems with it.... especially from the restauranteurs POV. Might fly in some establishments that lean more towards Bar + Food.

Let's face it, for most business people, decisions tend to be profit oriented. Will that situation increase profit? If so, is there any downside risk or will it increase problems and hassles?

I would expect successful establishments to "wait and see"!

Allowing pets will reduce the number of tables available because tables will need to be further apart. That has a direct effect on revenue and profit. Because what is the alternative.... being crammed up close to a dog taking a poop or pee (splatter spash). Hope your leg is not the substitute hydrant!

Then there is the insurance issue. The jerk that wants to take their pitbull with them!
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Yep, this place is just overflowing with pit bulls.
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