[Gpsma]

So what do you call "club soda"...club pop?

[manaboutown]

The only place I have ever heard "dram" used in ordinary discourse is Scotland.

Urban Dictionary: Dram

[Kathrynsews]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have never heard it. I imagine the TERM is used in states that have the law in place that places responsibility for drunks on the server, which Ohio does not. Betcha. Ever heard the terms three two and six percent in reference to alcohol serving?

I just asked my husband if he knew what a dram shop is and he said no. He isn't a dummy.

Dram Shop Laws and Social Host Liability for Alcohol-Related Accidents in Ohio | Nolo.com

Actually, Ohio does have a dram shop law. I have never heard of a bar, tavern, drinking establishment called a 'dram shop' either, but that's the legal term for the law, and I think most states have one. I guess the folks most likely to be familiar with the term are the owners of establishments serving liquor, or lawyers.

[rubicon]

Any plaintiff attorney worth his salt would sue anyone and everyone connected to the chain of events that lead to a driver becoming intoxicated.

In some states Bar owners try and shift he burden of liability by requiring their staff to carry their own liability insurance. I question that this practice would free up liability on the part of the owner?

Based on the comments made under the thread Restaurants it appears a good number of residents drink.

The OP referenced one restaurant with multiple locations as a source of DWI. I'll wager the cops are way ahead of the OP and often do a stake out right at the front door of this/these bars.

A bigger concern for me is DUI associated with drugs, especially marijuana because their is not an effective test to determine levels. Given the push for legalization of recreational marijuana this is an issue. Experts estimate that it is creating a 3% increase in DUI's resulting in accidents.

Marijuana use is going to be a bigger problem/issue that alcohol because the former is going to be harder to detect ...

Personal Best Regards:

[Nucky]

I took Dram to mean what we called in my region a Shot & Beer Joint. You can dislike drinking all you want. I have seen during my life that it is the Big Eraser. Erases lives, families, jobs, etc. etc. etc. and once it gets a hold on a person and they don't make the decision themselves that they want to stop then the foolishness that surrounds drinking too much will not end. We have to face facts, if you have the money and are retired and like to drink then you moved to The Drinking Olympics Heaven.

I have a friend in New Jersey who faced losing everything he had compiled in his life and turned to A.A. and I'll be damned. It worked. He just celebrated I think about 23 years of sobriety and said he wouldn't trade his life now for a Martini. When I complimented him on his achievement he brush off the praise and gave it all to A.A. and his sponsor. After talking to him about the war days of drinking it makes me feel sorry for the person who get flagged at a bar. Maybe they don't know how to stop. All he had to do was call a toll free number and want to be helped.

[Gpsma]

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking.

However this is a big drinking community. I have often wondered how many never really drank much while they were working and now find themselves drinking often.

[Yung Dum]

I think the responsibility lies solely with the drinker. If you know you're going out and will be drinking, don't drive. Have a good time and don't hurt anyone. If you unexpectedly drink too much, leave the car or cart in a parking lot and take a taxi. Uber could clean up here. Of course some people don't want to pay a few bucks to save lives, even their own. Let the authorities take care of them. Don't leave it to the servers. We're not irresponsible teenagers here, so why do so many of us act like they are?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking...

My thoughts also, Gpsma.

[jsw14]

Originally Posted by Yung Dum

I think the responsibility lies solely with the drinker. If you know you're going out and will be drinking, don't drive. Have a good time and don't hurt anyone. If you unexpectedly drink too much, leave the car or cart in a parking lot and take a taxi. Uber could clean up here. Of course some people don't want to pay a few bucks to save lives, even their own. Let the authorities take care of them. Don't leave it to the servers. We're not irresponsible teenagers here, so why do so many of us act like they are?

I'll have a Beer on that note.....

[Yung Dum]

Originally Posted by jsw14

I'll have a Beer on that note.....

Make it 2 and then we call a taxi.

[jsw14]

Originally Posted by Yung Dum

Make it 2 and then we call a taxi.

Yah Buddy, the first Beer is on me.....

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published

IMO the Villages should be alcohol free. Some people have that big monkey on they're back and can't knock it off. Lots of weak irresponsible people, for some alcohol is least of their problems! So what's the point?

[Yung Dum]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO the Villages should be alcohol free. Some people have that big monkey on they're back and can't knock it off. Lots of weak irresponsible people, for some alcohol is least of their problems! So what's the point?

That's quite a can of worms you just opened.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Any plaintiff attorney worth his salt would sue anyone and everyone connected to the chain of events that lead to a driver becoming intoxicated.

In some states Bar owners try and shift he burden of liability by requiring their staff to carry their own liability insurance. I question that this practice would free up liability on the part of the owner?

Based on the comments made under the thread Restaurants it appears a good number of residents drink.

The OP referenced one restaurant with multiple locations as a source of DWI. I'll wager the cops are way ahead of the OP and often do a stake out right at the front door of this/these bars.

A bigger concern for me is DUI associated with drugs, especially marijuana because their is not an effective test to determine levels. Given the push for legalization of recreational marijuana this is an issue. Experts estimate that it is creating a 3% increase in DUI's resulting in accidents.

Marijuana use is going to be a bigger problem/issue that alcohol because the former is going to be harder to detect ...

Personal Best Regards:

Don't you mean a lying slim ball lawyer. One of the many problems in this country TOOO MANNNY starving LAWYERS.

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking.

However this is a big drinking community. I have often wondered how many never really drank much while they were working and now find themselves drinking often.

Me to Gpsma. I'm amazed also. There are many people who drink responsibly like a human but they get little attention because they are drinking the way booze was intended to be used I believe. It's the sad stories that get the attention.