[Polar Bear]

I'm with GE. (Will miracles never cease?) Red arrows are not the automatic solution to every intersection where some individuals make bad choices.

You significantly reduce intersection capacity and often make left turners wait unreasonable amounts of time when there is no oncoming traffic.

There are other, better ways to deal with the situation. But make no mistake...none of them are perfect. They all depend upon good, attentive driving.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I disagree with your disagreement! At the intersections of 466A & Morse & BV & 466A, it is very difficult to see around the car(s) in the left hand turn lane opposite yours. People pull out anyway, and surprise, surprise, there's a car or two barreling toward you while you're in the middle of the intersection.

Pretty impossible to live down this way and stay off of 466A. Besides, the people you would tell that too obviously wouldn't take heed. I'll bet you one of Bare's lobsters on it.

I must agree with you, despite the fact that GE and PB are often correct. Both BV and Morse require red arrows after green arrows on 466A, and other locations. (And I'll buy my own lobster thanks). The vast majority of people will stop on a red arrow. If they work in Las Vegas they will work anywhere. (LV has a much higher proportion of impaired drivers than TV.)

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I must agree with you, despite the fact that GE and PB are often correct. Both BV and Morse require red arrows after green arrows on 466A, and other locations. (And I'll buy my own lobster thanks). The vast majority of people will stop on a red arrow. If they work in Las Vegas they will work anywhere. (LV has a much higher proportion of impaired drivers than TV.)

I'll see you a lobster and raise you one crab, DB!

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I'll see you a lobster and raise you one crab, DB!

Done deal!

[Cathy H]

Originally Posted by photo1902

you can prevent failure to yield accidents. The same holds true on Rt 466A at Buena Vista and Morse. Ive seen some really close calls, especially since its extremely difficult to see on coming traffic on 466A, when there are cars in the turn lanes. No doubt there will be a major (fatal) accident at these intersections, if there has no already been one.

yes it is hard to detect oncoming traffic when waiting to turn left when there is a line of cars in the left turn lane facing you. it would seem that the signal with the green arrow should also turn red to add safety to this situation. cours no one will be happy bout that

[joldnol]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Again it might, but many people who might be just sitting there for no reason while there is a green light for traffic going straight, say they are the only car on the road at midnight, will probably just turn through it anyway

well said

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

yes it is hard to detect oncoming traffic when waiting to turn left when there is a line of cars in the left turn lane facing you. it would seem that the signal with the green arrow should also turn red to add safety to this situation. cours no one will be happy bout that

Heaven forbid someone is late for a tee time while waiting all that time for a green turn arrow.

[xkeowner]

An average of less than one accident a month. Is this really the most pressing traffic problem in this area?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by xkeowner

An average of less than one accident a month. Is this really the most pressing traffic problem in this area?

Given the severity of the accidents, I would have to rate it highly. Certainly higher than the DOT need for another rotary.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I disagree with your disagreement! At the intersections of 466A & Morse & BV & 466A, it is very difficult to see around the car(s) in the left hand turn lane opposite yours. People pull out anyway, and surprise, surprise, there's a car or two barreling toward you while you're in the middle of the intersection.

Pretty impossible to live down this way and stay off of 466A. Besides, the people you would tell that to obviously wouldn't take heed. I'll bet you one of Bare's lobsters on it.

I live less than a mile from BV and 466A, make those left turns at least 10x/week. I have no problem whatsoever--it's just a matter of looking carefully, and not entering the intersection if in doubt--you can always turn as the light is changing and oncoming traffic is slowing

[villagetinker]

I had suggested before that the LEFT turn lanes for 466 and 466a be moved to the LEFT, take out some or all of the flowers, and put the left turn lane where it should be. Take a look at he NEW left turn lane on 441 to 466a, it is a full lane width to the left, there is a cross hatched lane to the right. Great visibility.

I think moving the left turn lanes is the ultimate and correct solution. While I agree that RED arrows will help, they will not help the person that entered the intersection, before these changed to red.

I am not sure if this solution can be applied at the intersections on 44.

Since these are COUNTY roads (maybe state??), I am guessing that FDOT will need to get involved, but if enough people complain, maybe something will be done.

Please do not shoot the messenger, this is just MHO.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by photo1902

Heaven forbid someone is late for a tee time while waiting all that time for a green turn arrow.

And for the coup de gras---you wait for 3, 3 1/2 min for a green arrow and then some nimrod runs the red light and T-bones you.

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I live less than a mile from BV and 466A, make those left turns at least 10x/week. I have no problem whatsoever--it's just a matter of looking carefully, and not entering the intersection if in doubt--you can always turn as the light is changing and oncoming traffic is slowing

Hopefully no one coming the other way shoots through the yellow, or red light, as you're crossing over as the light changes. Again, your tee time will wait.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by photo1902

Hopefully no one coming the other way shoots through the yellow, or red light, as you're crossing over as the light changes. Again, your tee time will wait.

I'll see exactly what they are doing long before that happens. Besides, my Chrysler 200 convertible has 292 HP---I can be across the road before he even sees me

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'll see exactly what they are doing long before that happens. Besides, my Chrysler 200 convertible has 292 HP---I can be across the road before he even sees me

flaunting the hp of your car to get you out of trouble. Very mature.