[TimeForChange]

The first four photos are a portion of my roof where some of the ridge vent shingles blew off. The area where you can see the felt paper is where there is shoddy workmanship. The shingles blew off because the nail heads are not flush with the roof therefore not allowing the shingle to seal properly. In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut. The grey roof photo at the bottom is the correct way a ridge shingle should be installed as it over laps all the way down therefore not allowing water to enter. My roof was incorrectly installed. The roofing company is Sack Roofing in Lady Lake. I intend to file a warranty complaint with TV in addition to notifying my insurance. A little addition is the gutter nail driven straight through the roofing shingle on the front of the home. This is guttering that was installed when the home was built. I thought this may help others in attempting to rectify their problem with the warranty dept. At this point I am going to request that all of my ridge shingles be checked and repaired so that if future storms or high winds present themselves I will have faith that I have a professionally installed roof system. At this point I do not.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

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Yup, $hitty installation.

[graciegirl]

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[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How to Install Asphalt Shingles: 15 Steps (with Pictures)

Not helpful. What is the point ?

[graciegirl]

I hope that our favorite home inspector will come on and say something.

[graciegirl]

jjj

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

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The first four photos are a portion of my roof where some of the ridge vent shingles blew off. The area where you can see the felt paper is where there is shoddy workmanship. The shingles blew off because the nail heads are not flush with the roof therefore not allowing the shingle to seal properly. In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut. The grey roof photo at the bottom is the correct way a ridge shingle should be installed as it over laps all the way down therefore not allowing water to enter. My roof was incorrectly installed. The roofing company is Sack Roofing in Lady Lake. I intend to file a warranty complaint with TV in addition to notifying my insurance. A little addition is the gutter nail driven straight through the roofing shingle on the front of the home. This is guttering that was installed when the home was built. I thought this may help others in attempting to rectify their problem with the warranty dept. At this point I am going to request that all of my ridge shingles be checked and repaired so that if future storms or high winds present themselves I will have faith that I have a professionally installed roof system. At this point I do not.

What I see and have for the past 20 years is a lack of professional tradesman. Common laborers are thrown onto jobs with little training and minimal supervision. No attempt is made to create or foster apprenticeship. This affects most residential construction, not so much commercial. Too many checks and balances.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are not helpful either. The point I am trying to make is that so far there is no proof of shoddy construction. The Villages has a huge reputation to protect and has the money power and smarts to hire and maintain good crews for all facets of construction. They found that a multitude of roofs had defective shingles four or five years ago and held the manufacturer's feet to the fire seeing that they were replaced. Owens Corning.

They don't need to be slimy and cheap. They have a market willing to pay whatever it takes for a home and it is my belief they do a good job. We have built ten homes in our lifetime.

Read my post concerning the residential trades.

[Moderator]

The topic is specific to shingle installation as shown in the photos. Please stay on topic.

Moderator

[TimeForChange]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I wonder whether your handyman has the expertise to judge.

I have been in TV for 5.5 years and have owned three houses currently own two. I have had dealings with many and I would put this guy up against anyone in Central FL. He is so good he does not advertise and does not have to. He will tell you not to give his name out because he has so much work.

[rivaridger1]

There are many posts all over this forum in different threads from people who were in the roofing business, or are familiar with the roofing business who are citing specific reasons why the shingle installation was oftentimes shoddy. The winds were 60 to 70 MPH. I personally have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway which were torn off my roof. When I examine them all the evidence based on what has been said by people who seem to conversant with the subject of roofing points to " defective " installation. I should not have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway if they were correctly installed. We as a community were not subjected to a Cat 2, Cat, 3, Cat 4 or Cat 5 storm and to the best of my knowledge I recall no reports of mysterious " microbursts ". The houses on both sides of mine have no shingle damage. Most of the damage based on the reports on this forum are in the newer neighborhoods built in the last four years or so. " The cheese is rotten in Denmark ". The developer is not blameless no matter their official position.

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by rivaridger1

There are many posts all over this forum in different threads from people who were in the roofing business, or are familiar with the roofing business who are citing specific reasons why the shingle installation was oftentimes shoddy. The winds were 60 to 70 MPH. I personally have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway which were torn off my roof. When I examine them all the evidence based on what has been said by people who seem to conversant with the subject of roofing points to " defective " installation. I should not have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway if they were correctly installed. We as a community were not subjected to a Cat 2, Cat, 3, Cat 4 or Cat 5 storm and to the best of my knowledge I recall no reports of mysterious " microbursts ". The houses on both sides of mine have no shingle damage. Most of the damage based on the reports on this forum are in the newer neighborhoods built in the last four years or so. " The cheese is rotten in Denmark ". The developer is not blameless no matter their official position.

I can definately understand why you and the OP are not happy to have lost roof shingles when it does
not appear to be a general occuring condition.
With the large numbers of homes sold built in TV in a given time period,
I don't find it surprising that poor installation problems of roofing become evident after a heavy storm.
Personally I feel it stems from a shortage of skilled,
and experienced installers, more than anything else.
Hope all who have had failurescan get some speedy resolution!

[Madelaine Amee]

We had water damage last year. The end caps had not been installed on the Ridge Vents and the Ridge Vents were not installed correctly. Insurance company took care of all Ridge Vents being reinstalled correctly.

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

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In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut.

Because it is a roof VENT. How else is the air supposed to come out and that is why they cover it with the ridge piece.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I wonder whether your handyman has the expertise to judge.

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

I have been in TV for 5.5 years and have owned three houses currently own two.

I have had dealings with many and I would put this guy up against anyone in Central FL.

He is so good he does not advertise and does not have to. He will tell you not to give his name out because he has so much work.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are not helpful either. The point I am trying to make is that so far there is no proof of shoddy construction.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...323-post1.html

Originally Posted by TimeForChange

First let me say I am not an novice when discussing roofing shingles. I retired from a company that at one time was one of the largest shingle manufactures in the world.

In my younger management days I was in charge of roofing complaints and did over 700 per year.

I believe the above should eliminate any questions as to who/whom are the real experts and that there was/is... definitely a problem with some shoddy construction.

Now let's see if the developer will admit, what some others seem not to be able to...in that they have a quality control issue.

I'm betting that you personally won't have any problems with the developer TFC, once they comprehend you know what the heck you're talking about, but I can't help but wonder...if they'll be as fair to those who don't have the expertise that you have.

We'll see I guess.

So here's wishing you get your issue solved quickly TimeForChange...and everyone else with the same problem does too.

I think this will be a good thread to keep up with...on how ALL people are being treated on this issue.