[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

None of them were. The builders here have specific crews who do the same task in every home. The people who lay pipe under your home are not the same people who put pipe in your home and every task is preplanned and they don't have to wait for subs because it is all scheduled ahead of time and subs move from one home to another with their specific task. Finish carpenters don't lay tile. Roofers don't plumb.. Your closing day and hour is given you when you sign. Materials for the next day's work are dropped off the night before. The main builder walks through each home each day, sometimes several times, and in our case made a sub rip out tile and do it over for one example. Our stone pillars on the porch were ordered redone by the builder in charge.. You haven't built here, but many of us have and they know I speak the truth.

In the homes we have built before there was a lot of days no one did anything on our house.

Henry Ford would have been proud of what you describe as an assembly line building technique. I doubt an extra nail is used. Very efficient!

Are Premier homes built under the same standards and under the same time constraints as other homes?

[Wiotte]

Our builder was fired 2 weeks before we closed. He was the same builder that did our last house 3 years ago, that house had minimal problems the first year. Our present house was riddled with issues. My punch list was 6 pages long and took the subs 2 months to clean up. All is good now and we didn't loose any shingles. Not all builders are created or operate equally.

[Dan9871]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

Not all builders build Premiere homes but our Designer home was built by a builder who also builds Premiere homes.

[paulascorpio]

11 out of 52 homes in my Premiere area had bad roof damage........nails through the plastic! All homes are tarred or tarped to triage the homes from water right now. I think TV has a problem!

[rubicon]

The Disney Housing project "Celebration" also sold an attractive lifestyle . One might want to google what has been happening there?

People remark how fast houses go up here and every time I hear it I cringe.

The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc ( TVLSI) wasn't selling homes but Lifestyles.

As to the roofing issue what the OP and others have cited speaks clearly to the question of proper installation.

Business is business and TVLSI has an obligation to act in " a good faith manner" in investigating residents complaints about product and workmanship. We will trust that they will comply as such

[Mrs. Robinson]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Henry Ford would have been proud of what you describe as an assembly line building technique. I doubt an extra nail is used. Very efficient!

Are Premier homes built under the same standards and under the same time constraints as other homes?

Originally Posted by rubicon

The Disney Housing project "Celebration" also sold an attractive lifestyle . One might want to google what has been happening there?

People remark how fast houses go up here and every time I hear it I cringe.

The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc ( TVLSI) wasn't selling homes but Lifestyles.

As to the roofing issue what the OP and others have cited speaks clearly to the question of proper installation.

Business is business and TVLSI has an obligation to act in " a good faith manner" in investigating residents complaints about product and workmanship. We will trust that they will comply as such

Our house (Designer) was built by a contractor who also builds Premier houses, and yes -- there are differences. One example is the roof overhang on a Premier house is deeper than on any of the other homes. We chose to pay more for that wider overhang but truthfully, based on Florida standards, the overhang still isn't wide enough to handle the summer sun.

Rubicon is correct and I have said the same thing. No one buys in TV because of quality in construction (pardon me while I cough). They buy here for the weather (sans Irma) and the lifestyle -- period!

As far as the developers owning up to the roof problems throughout TV, that will be interesting. I would like to believe that they will, but my business head and previous personal experience with them tells me a differently.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson

Our house (Designer) was built by a contractor who also builds Premier houses, and yes -- there are differences. One example is the roof overhang on a Premier house is deeper than on any of the other homes. We chose to pay more for that wider overhang but truthfully, based on Florida standards, the overhang still isn't wide enough to handle the summer sun.

Rubicon is correct and I have said the same thing. No one buys in TV because of quality in construction (pardon me while I cough). They buy here for the weather (sans Irma) and the lifestyle -- period!

As far as the developers owning up to the roof problems throughout TV, that will be interesting. I would like to believe that they will, but my business head and previous personal experience with them tells me a differently.

We will see.

[paulascorpio]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

I am a Premiere home.....again 52 homes, 11 roofs damaged and the nailing was done through the plastic strip and therefor the shingles were only attached at the top by a 1/2 inch so they tore off. There is definitely a problem! We also have a neighbor that needs a total roof. We have to fix it and probably endure more damage in the future and not feel safe at all!

[Mrs. Robinson]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am sorry for your misfortune. Fortunately not many were incorrectly installed.

Where did you get this information?

Unfortunately, many of the shingles on roofs have been incorrectly installed!

If you have been reading, as an example, over 20% of roofs in a premier section of the Village of Pinellas have a serious problem and these homes have been tarped, waiting for repair.
20%+ is not chicken feed.

There are many homeowners who are not part of TOTV and those homeowners are obviously mute.
We don't know how many of those residents' homes have a roof problem.

It is unfair to diminish the severity and amount of the current roof problems throughout The Villages.

[Roofer1]

Originally Posted by paulascorpio

I am a Premiere home.....again 52 homes, 11 roofs damaged and the nailing was done through the plastic strip and therefor the shingles were only attached at the top by a 1/2 inch so they tore off. There is definitely a problem! We also have a neighbor that needs a total roof. We have to fix it and probably endure more damage in the future and not feel safe at all!

The nails going the the top of the shingle is from the shingle above it so in that being said your shingle actually has 12 nails in it six in the shingle itself then when we nail the other shingle on them six go thru that shingle in to the top of the lower shingle

[YourHoneyDoHandyman]

Originally Posted by paulascorpio

11 out of 52 homes in my Premiere area had bad roof damage........nails through the plastic! All homes are tarred or tarped to triage the homes from water right now. I think TV has a problem!

Paula, just want a clarification from you when you mention nails through the plastic. Do you mean nails through the tar adhesive strip or the strip of plastic on bottom of shingle?.
It is OK for an occasional nail to be in the adhesive. The best place for the nail is just below the adhesive strip. The problem is if the nail is above the adhesive. In that case the nail could very well miss the top edge of the shingle below it, thus reducing the number of nails holding it. There should be a total of 12 nail holes in a properly nailed shingle in Florida. Now to clear up some confusion in some people regarding the clear plastic strip on the bottom of a shingle. The ONLY purpose of the plastic strip is to keep the shingles from sticking together in the bundle. It has NO effect at all once the shingle is installed and you do not remove it from the shingle before installation.

[pauld315]

I know nothing about roofing. We lost a total of 17 shingles during Irma. My house was built in 1999 and they used 3 tab shingles when they built it. I still have the original roof and the guy who repaired the shingles said the existing shingles probably have another 10 years of life on them if they don't get blown off with another storm, which is good. However, he said the reason we lost shingles with Irma was because they hadn't been nailed down at installation time ! He said the whole roof is like that, even in areas where repairs have been made previously. That, to me, is unbelievable and something I will be hiring a roof inspector to come look at when I return there. Do I have any recourse against the warranty department if this is the case? I have never heard of such a thing.

[Beth P]

Just catching up on this thread. Our home is 3 years old. We had significant shingle loss. Unfortunately, we had major water damage INSIDE our home (entire lanai, 16x16 area of great room and section of master bedroom). Our roofer pointed out to us several large slashes in our felt paper (some were six feet long). We disclosed this to our insurance adjustor. Our concern is for the remainder of our roof (the undamaged portion) and whether or not the felt paper under those shingles is also slashed. Clearly, the reason we have inside water damage is secondary to the felt paper being slashed. Consequently, we hired a certified roof inspector to inspect the remaining shingles. He pulled up 3 random shingles and under 2 of them found irregular nailing patterns and over driven nails. We have a full report from him. We have many pictures of the slashed felt paper (not torn, slashed), improper nailing of shingles and damage to the inside of our house. We have contacted the Villages Warranty. Our roofer was Sacks roofing. We spoke with the owner of the roofing company who takes no responsibility. As we are out of warranty, The Villages also takes no responsibility. We have contacted an attorney but it is not enough money for them to bother. Our insurance company also will not bother going after the builder or roofer because it's not enough money for them to worry about. Meanwhile, we are out an $8,000.00 deductible (that's another story) and we have a crappy roof. The limit for small claims court is $5,000.00. Basically, we're just screwed and everyone who messed up goes on installing crappy roofs.

We love our home and we love living in The Villages but this is all so wrong and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. FRUSTRATED!!! I wonder how the Villages Warranty department would handle it if it was THEIR house.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by Beth P

Just catching up on this thread. Our home is 3 years old. We had significant shingle loss. Unfortunately, we had major water damage INSIDE our home (entire lanai, 16x16 area of great room and section of master bedroom). Our roofer pointed out to us several large slashes in our felt paper (some were six feet long). We disclosed this to our insurance adjustor. Our concern is for the remainder of our roof (the undamaged portion) and whether or not the felt paper under those shingles is also slashed. Clearly, the reason we have inside water damage is secondary to the felt paper being slashed. Consequently, we hired a certified roof inspector to inspect the remaining shingles. He pulled up 3 random shingles and under 2 of them found irregular nailing patterns and over driven nails. We have a full report from him. We have many pictures of the slashed felt paper (not torn, slashed), improper nailing of shingles and damage to the inside of our house. We have contacted the Villages Warranty. Our roofer was Sacks roofing. We spoke with the owner of the roofing company who takes no responsibility. As we are out of warranty, The Villages also takes no responsibility. We have contacted an attorney but it is not enough money for them to bother. Our insurance company also will not bother going after the builder or roofer because it's not enough money for them to worry about. Meanwhile, we are out an $8,000.00 deductible (that's another story) and we have a crappy roof. The limit for small claims court is $5,000.00. Basically, we're just screwed and everyone who messed up goes on installing crappy roofs.

We love our home and we love living in The Villages but this is all so wrong and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. FRUSTRATED!!! I wonder how the Villages Warranty department would handle it if it was THEIR house.

Take them to court !


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[Beth P]

If you know a way for me to do that without sinking a lot more money, please tell me. I have already spoken with one attorney.