[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by blueash

Mrs Blueash came out of the Southern Trace Publix to find two older men at her golf cart. On the rear plastic curtain we have an Evolve sticker similar to the one below. These two older white men verbally attacked her claiming that this was offensive to their Christianity as it defiled a Christian symbol. She told them to leave her alone and go away. They called her an "ignorant c*nt" and eventually allowed her to leave. They had ripped the feet off the fish.

No the store does not have video. No she did not take a photo of these excellent Christians.

Sounded like it could have attracted some attention from passersby. No one around? At Publix parking lot? Hmmmm, Odd. Had it been two old black men from Nigeria, I would probably believe that tall tale. Nice little story.

[BryanTheGolfPro]

The "fish" symbol (ichthus) was actually a method--for safety reasons--that Christians in Rome used to identify each other. One person would draw one curved line in the dust with his foot; the other would draw the other curved line, thus identifying each other as Christians. Though wrong, this woman has her First Amendment right to express her opinion--and I defend her right to do so. These well-meaning men acted in an unChristian manner. Yes, they were offended. So what! "What would Jesus do?" What would Jesus, the Creator, Savior and Messiah do in this situation? Good question.

[Mikef99]

while this is no excuse for the behavior I think veryone is on edge witht he covid and roiting currently in the news. I would not limit it to men either, in a couple different situations women have been unnecessarily harsh to me and I have witnessed it to others. I wonder if the villages should no longer say friendly in association with this community?

or it goes back to each of us show this quality/consideration to all.....

[diane reynolds]

Christians generally do not believe in evolution.

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

If they were truly prohibiting her from leaving she should have called the police. Even if she felt the least bit threatened she should have called the police.

"They eventually allowed her to leave." That suggests that she was being held against her will. No witnesses, no pictures of the damaged sticker, nothing but a person's account of an incident without facts to support it. Just hearsay evidence from the hubby who wasn't even there. Cute.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by andercat

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years. We were taught evolution in biology class. Catholics do not believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. Many Christian denominations have no problem with evolution.

You are correct. According to the Vatican web site, it has been about fifty years since the Roman Catholic Church required members to believe in a literal seven-day creation. That’s a billion Christians right there. (They are also no longer obligated to believe in a literal resurrection of the dead in a physical body, or a literal second coming of Christ.) Most liberal Protestant churches, such as Methodists and Presbyterians and Congregationalists, also no longer have a seven-day creation week as a church doctrine.

There are a couple long scholarly articles I’ve written on the literary structure of Genesis 1 in this book:
Robot Check

I’m sorry your sticker was attacked. I guess it devolved into a fish. I see a lot of bumper stickers I don’t like, as do we all, but we don’t rip them off. I see bumper stickers as an important part of our right to free speech, even if I disagree. I’d much rather that people put bumper stickers on their cars than riot in the streets. (That said, there are some bumper stickers one might use that could lead to cars being seriously damaged by those who disagree or might lead to increased scrutiny by law enforcement. I think all bumper stickers are, at the least, tacky, but that’s a matter of taste.)

Here is how Wikipedia defines the fish symbol, and it seems to be correct:

ΙΧΘΥΣ (ichthys), or also ΙΧΘΥϹ with a lunate sigma, is an acronym or acrostic[7] for Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr; contemporary Koine, which translates into English as 'Jesus Christ, Son of God, [Our] Savior'.
Iota (i) is the first letter of Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς), Greek for "Jesus".
Chi (ch) is the first letter of Christos (Χριστός), Greek for "anointed" (of the Lord).
Theta (th) is the first letter of Theou (Θεοῦ), Greek for "God's", the genitive singular of Θεóς, Theos, Greek for "God".
Upsilon (y or u) is the first letter of (h)yios[8] (Yἱός), Greek for "Son".
Sigma (s) is the first letter of sōtēr (Σωτήρ), Greek for "Savior".

Of course, there is something fishy about that, given that icthys or icthus (same thing) literally means fish in Greek. It might be interesting to have a sticker with the word in the shape of a man and a fishing pole, indicating that one is a fisher of men, or the word in the shape of a fish and a fishing pole, indicating simply that one likes to fish.

[PennBF]

Of course the person had the right to brag that she was against some religions, specifically Christians. In doing so she should not be surprised there are consequences when you insult a person's religion. The fish in the original artist representation has a serious meaning to many Christians and is displayed on cars, etc. To mock it's meaning is an act which of course offends many practicing Christians. Do I agree the actions taken by a couple of persons who objected was appropriate of course not. Do I think the person who did this knew he/she were going to offend many people. Of course I do. The real shame in my opinion was the person purposely insulting many who believe in the biblical story of the fish and for what purpose were he/she doing that.?

[billyb1950]

Originally Posted by vapeople

i am not a christian but, having been raised in a mostly christian nation, i have some knowledge of christian culture and their religious symbols.

I get the impression that a fish is associated with the early christian culture. I think it is in very poor taste to denigrate that symbol by inserting the word 'evolve', just like it is poor taste to put a cross in a bucket of urine and label it "pizz christ".

amen

[billyb1950]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

"They eventually allowed her to leave." That suggests that she was being held against her will. No witnesses, no pictures of the damaged sticker, nothing but a person's account of an incident without facts to support it. Just hearsay evidence from the hubby who wasn't even there. Cute.

Maybe the men were standing behind her cart and she was unable to back up without running them over. You're implying way too much with your caustic remarks. Actually, you hint she and her husband are liars. To borrow a word: Cute.

[Pamelah]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Of course the person had the right to brag that she was against some religions, specifically Christians. In doing so she should not be surprised there are consequences when you insult a person's religion. The fish in the original artist representation has a serious meaning to many Christians and is displayed on cars, etc. To mock it's meaning is an act which of course offends many practicing Christians. Do I agree the actions taken by a couple of persons who objected was appropriate of course not. Do I think the person who did this knew he/she were going to offend many people. Of course I do. The real shame in my opinion was the person purposely insulting many who believe in the biblical story of the fish and for what purpose were he/she doing that.?

If this person knew she might offend some with this symbol, is not this exactly the same for people with white crosses in their yard or Trump signs? Yes

[claylayer]

I'm so sorry this happened.

[JimJohnson]

Most religions have a golden rule list. It is predominantly Christians and Muslims that kill to support their beliefs. Mohammad would be OK with killing in his name. Jesus would not! Yet, Christians are every bit as violent as Muslims.

[ismatta]

Originally Posted by blueash

Mrs Blueash came out of the Southern Trace Publix to find two older men at her golf cart. On the rear plastic curtain we have an Evolve sticker similar to the one below. These two older white men verbally attacked her claiming that this was offensive to their Christianity as it defiled a Christian symbol. She told them to leave her alone and go away. They called her an "ignorant c*nt" and eventually allowed her to leave. They had ripped the feet off the fish.

No the store does not have video. No she did not take a photo of these excellent Christians.

Clearly these men had no knowledge of the teachings of Christ. They are the ones defiling Christianity. BTW, we have freedom of speech. They are no more Christian then our temporary leader.

[DanBrew]

There is no room in the Christian faith for hate. Note I said faith and not religion. I suspect these two were "religious" Christians. God is love and He sent his son here to redeem us all. I pray these two will fill their hearts with the love of our father in heaven thus making no room in their own hearts for such hateful actions.

[Judy n Ron]

We are amazed at how many have to advertise their every belief with political signs, bumper stickers etc. We enjoy the serenity of our own religious beliefs and who we will vote for. Very few know our religion or political leanings. Does anyone believe by displaying a political or religious symbol that someone will be converted to their belief system? Fly your flag and keep personal opinions in the house for a kinder community. Ron