[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

What do you suggest that it be changed to?

[banjobob]

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

My courtyard villa deed restriction document says:

"No owner of a homesite shall park, store, or keep any vehicle except wholly within his driveway, garage or other non-visitor parking spaces."

I called District Property Management who said that it means that parking on the street is not allowed. But, when I spoke with Community Standards, they told me that they do not enforce that rule. So, go figure.

they can't enforce it. The language is not specific enough to enforce, much like all the language in the docs. Federal standards go by exactness not vague. If you don't want something to happen then it must be specifically stated. Many organizations make this mistake in their governing documents and then some board at some time later gets caught with the incident and are stuck on how to fix it.

The way you read docs like this is look for what it doesn't say. Many years ago, our sons wanted one of those goalzilla basketball setups. (huge in concrete, etc) In reading the docs of the community I found it said "not on garage roof", "portable on driveway", yet it never said you could not permanently install on the side of your driveway. In it went, and there was nothing anyone could do to force removal of it ever

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by banjobob

Posting signs requiring address of the visitors host unit be displayed on the vehicle and inspection by Community Watch for compliance , extended (over) five days issue tow warnings , reported by residents of the villas. Towing the vehicles in violation if regulations not followed.

legally you can't. In addition, very few towing companies want the liability. Been there done that.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

What do you suggest that it be changed to?

It should not be addressed in the deed restriction document that only applies to the residents of a single villa section. The visitor parking spaces are common areas managed by The Villages. In my opinion, they are really no different from other common parking areas, such as the rec center parking lots, where you need permission to park a vehicle overnight. If you park a vehicle for several days at a rec center, Community Watch will tag it and tow it away. I think the same rules should apply to the residential visitor parking areas. No long term parking. With the current rules, I have seen vehicles that occupy a visitor parking space for 4 or 5 months, and when you complain, The Villages, including deed compliance, property management, and community watch, all say that there is nothing they can or will do about it.

[tbat111]

Thanks absolutely agree!!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

legally you can't. In addition, very few towing companies want the liability. Been there done that.

If you try to use a rec center parking lot for long term parking, Community Watch will tag the vehicle and have it towed away. It seems like a similar situation to me, except they have no rule about long term parking in the residential visitor parking areas.

[Scorpyo]

I agree. Someone parking on the street is the epitome. I saw a car parked on the street where my courtyard villa is located. It upset me so much I didn't play golf at Sarasota a 7:30 AM. I also didn't show up at Rohan for water volleyball at11:00 AM, nor Lake Miona at 3:00 PM. Lastly I didn't go dancing at Bradenton at 6:00 PM. I mean, the nerve of someone parking on the street, how could they do that? My wife, on the other hand, did the golf, water volleyball and dancing. She thought they were more important and enjoyable then paying attention to someone parking on the street. Can you believe that? Where are her priorities?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It should not be addressed in the deed restriction document that only applies to the residents of a single villa section. The visitor parking spaces are common areas managed by The Villages. In my opinion, they are really no different from other common parking areas, such as the rec center parking lots, where you need permission to park a vehicle overnight. If you park a vehicle for several days at a rec center, Community Watch will tag it and tow it away. I think the same rules should apply to the residential visitor parking areas. No long term parking. With the current rules, I have seen vehicles that occupy a visitor parking space for 4 or 5 months, and when you complain, The Villages, including deed compliance, property management, and community watch, all say that there is nothing they can or will do about it.

Uh, not sure what you are saying, each Villa has its own unique deed restrictions. Here is a link to the ALL - each county has its own set, each division has its own set. each section its own. It is very granular.

Village Community Development Districts

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Scorpyo

I agree. Someone parking on the street is the epitome. I saw a car parked on the street where my courtyard villa is located. It upset me so much I didn't play golf at Sarasota a 7:30 AM. I also didn't show up at Rohan for water volleyball at11:00 AM, nor Lake Miona at 3:00 PM. Lastly I didn't go dancing at Bradenton at 6:00 PM. I mean, the nerve of someone parking on the street, how could they do that? My wife, on the other hand, did the golf, water volleyball and dancing. She thought they were more important and enjoyable then paying attention to someone parking on the street. Can you believe that? Where are her priorities?

So true, Of course there are various versions. I have no problem with temporary parking on the street. But, I do have problems when a contractor parks several vehicles for days. The one here a week ago occasionally completely blocked the road. Luckily it is a loop and I could turn around and get out the other way. I did see any point in getting my panties bunched up, but it was annoying at the time.

Neighbors - okay, they live here and things happen where it helps, but contractors are a problem in TV. They fly around the neighborhoods speeding, running stop signs and blocking roads. I would like to see some action to reduce that, but I don't know what or how.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Uh, not sure what you are saying, each Villa has its own unique deed restrictions. Here is a link to the ALL - each county has its own set, each division has its own set. each section its own. It is very granular.

Village Community Development Districts

The problem is that your deed restriction document only applies to the residents of your villa section. So, someone who doesn't live in your section, can drive in and they are not bound by any deed restriction about parking or storing vehicles. That is the way it is interpreted and enforced by the deed compliance office.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

If you live in a courtyard villa, there is an area intended for visitors to park their vehicles while visiting a resident. This is usually about 5 parking spaces. The deed restriction document prohibits residents of that villa section from parking their own vehicles in those spaces. But, if you live in another part of The Villages, or not even in The Villages at all, you can park a vehicle or vehicles in the visitor area and you will not violate any deed restriction, law, or other parking rule. There is no time limit. So, if you need a place to store a vehicle for a month, 6 months or even longer, you can drive into any courtyard villa section and find an available space. But, don’t let anyone know your name or address because the deed compliance office “MAY” ask you to move it. But they won’t guarantee that they will. Also, the police will do nothing to help because it is not public property. In my opinion, this parking rule is totally unacceptable and needs to addressed by The Villages and changed.

This information was obtained from the deed compliance office in Sumter Landing.

This is what happens when developers create a space for residents under the assumption that no one is as greedy or self-serving as they are. Nothing will change. It's a deed restriction.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The problem is that your deed restriction document only applies to the residents of your villa section. So, someone who doesn't live in your section, can drive in and they are not bound by any deed restriction about parking or storing vehicles. That is the way it is interpreted and enforced by the deed compliance office.

True.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Velvet

OP, I understand your frustration. When we were on our Lifestyle visit they put us into a villa. In the morning, not only was the visitor spaces taken, but the narrow curvy street had cars and working peoples trucks parked on one side so that we had to drive on someone’s lawn to get out of our house. My husband has never been to TV before and he said, “This is ridiculous, we are not buying here.” In the evening when we came home the trucks were gone but he was still unhappy. That was not the area I was interested in and we bought a designer, where the narrow street was not an issue and he’s okay with things. But he still remembers how frustrating it was at the villa.

That was one of the attractions to the historic side. Many of the streets here are wide enough to -easily- accommodate street-side parking, plus two-way driving. As long as everyone is parked on the same side of the street.

If we have visitors they can park on the street overnight, though it doesn't happen often because our neighbors are considerate and usually try to accommodate the extra vehicles on their own properties.

It's especially good because we have a LOT of walkers, dog-walkers, and bicycle riders in the area, but no sidewalks. In our neighborhood you're more likely to see people standing in the middle of the road gabbing to each other, and cars instinctively slowing down around the corner because they know to expect it.

I love my neighborhood. And the cars that park in it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So true, Of course there are various versions. I have no problem with temporary parking on the street. But, I do have problems when a contractor parks several vehicles for days. The one here a week ago occasionally completely blocked the road. Luckily it is a loop and I could turn around and get out the other way. I did see any point in getting my panties bunched up, but it was annoying at the time.

Neighbors - okay, they live here and things happen where it helps, but contractors are a problem in TV. They fly around the neighborhoods speeding, running stop signs and blocking roads. I would like to see some action to reduce that, but I don't know what or how.

Along those lines, I wonder if anyone knows the law on this:

Frequently, when contractors work in the backyard of a home that backs up to a relatively main road with designated cart/bike lanes, such as Pinellas, Hillsborough, Hendry, Anna Maria, etc, they park their vehicles in the cart lane and hanging over into the car lane because it is closer and more convenient for them, rather than park in front of the house on a residential street. This creates a clear safety hazard. Is it legal????? Or would they get ticketed by the Sheriff's Dept.?