[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

They will be paying for amenities, but that money is going to the developer. We are subsidizing their use of the amenities.

You probably subsidized business wherever you came from in the form of tax incentive financing. No different here. The builder gets an incentive and provides something all can use even as the residents complain and gripe about it.

Unbelievable. Not.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Not exactly, since some residents NEVER have guests using the amenities while others have almost constant guests. Yet all pay about the same.

And they don’t mind because they know that their neighbors paid for that right every month.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Davelinda91

As long as it’s not in my neighborhood!

This is what it REALLY boils down to for so many malcontents.

They got theirs so to hell with everyone else.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

You probably subsidized business wherever you came from in the form of tax incentive financing. No different here. The builder gets an incentive and provides something all can use even as the residents complain and gripe about it.

Unbelievable. Not.

Those tax incentives create businesses that area residents can enjoy in the long run. Increased population and strain on the amenities without financial support enhances no ones life.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

This is what it REALLY boils down to for so many malcontents.

They got theirs so to hell with everyone else.

I believe that is a distortion, most people accept the continuing growth of The Villages. What they didn’t expect is growing expenses from their pockets and overcrowded amenities on behalf of the developers’ financial wealth.

[graciegirl]

https://esarch.com/content/uploads/f...villages01.jpg

Here is a picture of the much larger Freedom Pointe as seen from The Golf Course.

The Assisted Living Facilities are built adjacent to area homes on 466 and 466A.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Those tax incentives create businesses that area residents can enjoy in the long run. Increased population and strain on the amenities without financial support enhances no ones life.

Actually most TIF financing pays for infrastructure and tax abatement "hoping" to create businesses and services to support the general area or town. In a successful project, it pays back greatly.

Nothing in The Villages proposal mentions property tax abatement, so there is city and county revenue that DOES support the residents.

Too many are jumping to conclusions without facts.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Actually most TIF financing pays for infrastructure and tax abatement "hoping" to create businesses and services to support the general area or town. In a successful project, it pays back greatly.

Nothing in The Villages proposal mentions property tax abatement, so there is city and county revenue that DOES support the residents.

Too many are jumping to conclusions without facts.

All of this really has nothing to do with with that analogy, the issue is overcrowded amenities created by the apartments for which amenity fees are paid and pocketed by the developers. Simple resolution would be to have apartment dwellers pay amenity fees to the AAC, easy peasy.

[Villagesgal]

I really don't see a problem here. Villagers will be able to use the pool, which will be beautiful, only priority members could use the old one; apartment residents will pay amenity fees, just like the rest of us, but will probably be older and not use most, and even if they do, they pay for them so they should have the same right to use them. There will be a new restaurant for all to enjoy. Before someone says I must be new here and don't know what I'm talking about, I retired at 45 and have been living here for 20 years. This place has grown from 28,000 with no shopping and limited dining to 120,000 and everything you could ever need right here now. The Developer has done wonderful things; beautiful amenities, beautiful downtown areas, plenty of restaurants and shopping, a hospital that thank God they sold to people who actually know how to run one. My point is, yes there are growing pains, yes they will make mistakes, but overall anything they do, they do beautifully which means we live in a beautiful place and our home values continue to go up. Sure, we could use more pools north of 466, but overall, they've done well. You can't please everyone, but they do please the majority which you can see by who makes negative comments here - the same small group over and over again. No place is perfect for everyone, but this place continues to grow because it is perfect for so many to enjoy their
hard earned retirement.

[merrymini]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Hopefully next week that will not be the case in Sumter county.

Than again what would stop them from buying any new commissioners?

Your vote

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Aces4

All of this really has nothing to do with with that analogy, the issue is overcrowded amenities created by the apartments for which amenity fees are paid and pocketed by the developers. Simple resolution would be to have apartment dwellers pay amenity fees to the AAC, easy peasy.

I get it. You don't understand the concept of concessions in order to get an expensive project to completion. Not your fault.

In one breath you say your concern is "overcrowded amenities created by the apartments" and in the very same statement you claim the "Simple resolution would be to have apartment dwellers pay amenity fees to the AAC, easy peasy." Surely you can see the falacy of your argument.

Maybe you just want to vent and not really just about this issue, since your positions are in total conflict with each other.

[ProfessorDave]

The Developer clearly plays HARDBALL. And - that doesn't fit culturally with what The Villages was as a perception.
Question: how many of you - were told by The Villages real estate person - that their was only enough land for X amount of houses left, so that when that is completed - the property values will rise. A lie.
Why I ask? Hardball - would be a "class action suit" - because the agents I believe used that story over and over for years. Regardless if the community won the suit or not - it would hurt the developer on expansion - and maybe he'd think twice before his making decisions that absolutely change the dream we bought into. No mistake. I still love it here - and with the flaws - still love it. BUT, I don't like the trend - and don't know how Mr. Morse sleeps at night. I've worked directly for two billionaires in my life; Morse may have money to support his ego - but - he is not a decent man.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

I get it. You don't understand the concept of concessions in order to get an expensive project to completion. Not your fault.

In one breath you say your concern is "overcrowded amenities created by the apartments" and in the very same statement you claim the "Simple resolution would be to have apartment dwellers pay amenity fees to the AAC, easy peasy." Surely you can see the falacy of your argument.

Maybe you just want to vent and not really just about this issue, since your positions are in total conflict ywith each other.

And you don’t believe the AAC couldn’t make improvements and upgrades with those fees being pocketed by the developers?

I prefer to stick with the facts and not personal suppositions.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Dharrisoncmo@gmail.com

The Developer clearly plays HARDBALL. And - that doesn't fit culturally with what The Villages was as a perception.
Question: how many of you - were told by The Villages real estate person - that their was only enough land for X amount of houses left, so that when that is completed - the property values will rise. A lie.
Why I ask? Hardball - would be a "class action suit" - because the agents I believe used that story over and over for years. Regardless if the community won the suit or not - it would hurt the developer on expansion - and maybe he'd think twice before his making decisions that absolutely change the dream we bought into. No mistake. I still love it here - and with the flaws - still love it. BUT, I don't like the trend - and don't know how Mr. Morse sleeps at night. I've worked directly for two billionaires in my life; Morse may have money to support his ego - but - he is not a decent man.

Just to clarify, there are three developers at his point, not only Mark Morse.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Oh my the sky is falling, possibly 300 people using amenities, I wonder how many will take full use and do we forget the many months when it’s slow here? I’ll be 82 in December, I’ve bought 5 new homes here and I’m very athletic, but I’m happy the family is giving us more options to stay in villages , for many and maybE even myself it’s cheaper then independent living and for many less lonely then maybe an empty home. As far as the family making money I can’t help but laugh at so many who complain about socialism, but complain that all the family thinks about is making money