[BHWitcher]

Ya think??

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I believe, CW, that amenities were removed when Hacienda was torn down such as tennis courts, swimming pool and I don’t know of others. Those amenities removed, even if they required membership, leaves less for area residents to utilize and thus, more use of amenities that remain.

I'm sorry but you need to do more homework before complaining (actually you should have done it before buying here) about how things work. The tennis courts, the pool, the restaurant, and even the golf course are NOT amenities. Don't feel bad..... it's not just you. Many posters on this site don't have a clue but they don't let that stop them from complaining. There are many ways to educate yourself on the Villages and how it functions if you are interested in learning..... just do yourself a favor and don't pile on with the vocal minority. Lots of time they just don't know what they are talking about. As the saying goes "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Are you familiar with just how the AAC was formed? The AAC is made up of districts 1-4.

No one can openly discuss the "lawsuit". But many of us have views. My opinion is that the area got "control" of that area as a result of winning a lawsuit against the Developer.

I always think of that area sort of running it's own railroad since then. Keeping it's dollars separate, making it's own decision about how the roadways are maintained etc. Maybe I am wrong to connect the area with the POA but for a long time the governing folks lived in that area. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am not a HUGE fan of the VHA either. So many times you see people wanting to run things that have not much experience in running things.

Gracie,
I live north of 466 and follow the activities of the AAC closely. You are correct the AAC was formed as a result of the law suit against the developer. The members are elected from CCDs 1-4 and Lady Lake. There is one member from the Spanish Springs Commercial District. This person is elected (appointed) by the developer.

Of the current AAC members, I believe there is only one that is associated with the POA. There are more POA members on the CDD boards in your area than on the AAC.

The AAC, CCDs and PWAC are all non-political. But when organizations such as the POA start backing candidates and getting representative elected it is political. Just not our traditional republican vs democrat.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

I'm sorry but you need to do more homework before complaining (actually you should have done it before buying here) about how things work. The tennis courts, the pool, the restaurant, and even the golf course are NOT amenities. Don't feel bad..... it's not just you. Many posters on this site don't have a clue but they don't let that stop them from complaining. There are many ways to educate yourself on the Villages and how it functions if you are interested in learning..... just do yourself a favor and don't pile on with the vocal minority. Lots of time they just don't know what they are talking about. As the saying goes "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Of course pools, tennis courts, restaurants, and golf courses are all amenities.

As defined by Webster, an amenity is something that provides comfort, convenience, or enjoyment.

You seem to be under the impression that only those activities that are covered by the amenity fee are amenities. Or if privately owned, cannot be called an amenity. In real estate, a wide range of things available in the neighborhood are considered amenities including schools, shopping centers, post offices, parks, playgrounds, running trails, recreational centers, golf courses, etc

Some amenities are included in an "amenity fee" and some cost extra and are privately owned.

Amenity Definition

[woodcocd]

Well I’ve Been here for 3 years and love living here. But with what’s going on with heicinda hills I see the ACC and develepor who ever that is? Has total control over a100000 residents. I feel like this how is Russia? Do we have any retired legal people that can help us? Someone should be telling any new potential home owner they can do what they want with no say say from us. Next if Palmer or Lopez is not making money there will be apartments really? We need help. David

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by Villagesgal

I really don't see a problem here. Villagers will be able to use the pool, which will be beautiful, only priority members could use the old one; apartment residents will pay amenity fees, just like the rest of us, but will probably be older and not use most, and even if they do, they pay for them so they should have the same right to use them.

Did you miss the part about the developer getting to pocket all but $14 a month from the apartment dweller's amenity fees?

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

The houses that border holes 3, 4, 5, and maybe 6 of the Palms Course can all see Freedom Point when looking out over the golf course.

Yes, the commercial area where Freedom Point is located is visible from many houses if you choose to look past the golf course. It is located in a long existing commercial area and has many other commercial activities just across the road from it -to the North toward Hwy 27. Freedom Point is NOT located in the center of a residential area such as the new apartments will be. There are neighborhoods in every direction from the Hacienda location.

[LuvtheVillages]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Brownwood lofts amenities are not open to outsider villagers, but apartments dwellers have full access to district amenities. So, unless you are resident of the Brownwood lofts only ones using their amenities. But, if it’s like district amenities nobody watching to pot boiling anyway.

Wrong!

The Trillium recreation center at the Lofts of Brownwood is advertised on the front page of today's (8/13) Recreation News. It is open to all with its family pool, billiards, kitchen, meeting room, picnic pavilion, and table shuffleboard.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

You're correct but I don't know if you are allowed to tell others they are wrong....... I know I'm not. Besides the paper costs a quarter. I think some wait til recycling day to read the news.

I think that the poster above has good sense and a sense of humor as well. I like a little sarcasm with my truths and that poster does that well too. I am a fan of Mr. Guy.

I remember when the folks in Duval were having fits and bad spells over the Assisted Living facility being three stories and that some old people could spy on them. It has now been there for several years and people haven't lost a penny of value in their homes for being adjacent to it. Haven't heard a whisper about old people spying on them either. Sometimes as Bogie Shooter says it is best to have Patience Grasshopper and see how things work out.

I do not think that the developer is robbing or cheating anybody, just trying to use the space well.

Time will tell.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by RonGee

If I wanted to see a 2 or 3 story building in the quite residential area I could have stayed in NYC

You mean NYC didn't take a poll, ask for opinions, clear it with anyone who complained or suffered heartache before they SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Joni Mitchell Big Yellow Taxi - YouTube

Didn't she also do the song, they paved paradise and put up a f'in apartment complex?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

I'm sorry but you need to do more homework before complaining (actually you should have done it before buying here) about how things work. The tennis courts, the pool, the restaurant, and even the golf course are NOT amenities. Don't feel bad..... it's not just you. Many posters on this site don't have a clue but they don't let that stop them from complaining. There are many ways to educate yourself on the Villages and how it functions if you are interested in learning..... just do yourself a favor and don't pile on with the vocal minority. Lots of time they just don't know what they are talking about. As the saying goes "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."

Ah, the newest way to debate when you know you’re up against facts. Those were amenities at Hacienda, paid for with an additional fee. So, at this point people must be labeled complainers when they are discussing the facts from what has occurred in meetings to point out discrepancies accurately, and that calls for innuendo and name calling. Yes, someone here is a fool and it’s not me.

I have stated earlier in this thread that some people will be fine with sharing more of their amenities and others will be upset, we all have varying opinions. Life is short now and people should chose what makes them happy and enjoy their remaining days. Hardly piling on and btw, not a new comer to TV. I believe you’re the newcomer. Welcome.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by npwalters

Yes, the commercial area where Freedom Point is located is visible from many houses if you choose to look past the golf course. It is located in a long existing commercial area and has many other commercial activities just across the road from it -to the North toward Hwy 27. Freedom Point is NOT located in the center of a residential area such as the new apartments will be. There are neighborhoods in every direction from the Hacienda location.

Agree, and the people that bought homes in the area mentioned in the above post had previous knowledge that the space on El Camino Real and the West side of Morse Blvd. was an area zoned for commercial development. The people that paid a premium for the Championship golf course experience, across the East side of the street on Morse Boulevard, had every reason to expect that the premium they paid to live on a Championship golf course would give them confidence that they would not be living next to a high density apartment complex. BAIT and SWITCH at is best!

No one in their right mind should ever again pay a premium for a Championship golf course lot or home.

AN IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE WHO IS A FUTURE POTENTIAL PURCHASER OF A GOLF COURSE LOT OR HOME. BUYER BEWARE, YOU JUST BOUGHT A LOT SURROUNDED BY LAND OWNED BY A PROFIT, AT NO COST, HUNGRY FAMILY THAT IS ZONED AND CONTROLLED BY THE WHIMS AND BULLYING TACTICS OF SUCH FAMILY. YOU SHOULD GET A SIGNIFICANT SUBSIDY FOR YOUR PURCHASE TO COMPENSATE YOU FOR THE SIGNIFICANT RISK YOU ARE ABOUT TO TAKE ON. GOOD LUCK!

[swooner]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

So your saying the Developer owns the members of the AAC?

The Developer owns everything here, including the committee members!

[pjwenz]

#1) How can the developer demand a one (1) on one (1) secret closed door meeting with elected officials of the ACC? Why is not a violation of the Florida Sunshine Law?

What is the Sunshine Law? Florida's Government-in-the-Sunshine law provides a right of access to governmental proceedings at both the state and local levels. It applies to any gathering of two or more members of the same board to discuss some matter which will foresee ably come before that board for action. (Florida Attorney General - Home Page)

#2) Why have none of the ACC commissioners divulged what was said in that one (1) on one (1) meeting?

#3) It is normal procedure that commissions, planning boards, etc review and approve site plan proposals after a set number of readings. Not be told what to do in closed door meetings!

#4) So the ACC voted to give the amenity fee to the Developer without any information as to what the proposed site plan will be. Will the golf course patrons be allowed to use the unknown amenities of the development?

Go ahead, have at it!