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LiverpoolWalrus 04-15-2020 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1746823)

This has happened because many people believe what they see in the Media. Fear is the best news.
I've only been on this board a short while and this topic comes up a lot. There's an individual here that's an ardent defender of the media. I wonder if he'll chime in.

coffeebean 04-15-2020 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by villageuser (Post 1746518)
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The last thing I read is that the droplets ARE falling on the ground and we have to be aware that the soles of our shoes are contaminated. We should not be outside, especially in the grocery store, Walmart, etc, and go home with our shoes on. ....
Let me think about this for a minute.......I've assumed all along that the virus is all over floors because it remains suspended in the air for , what I have read and heard, 3 hours. Of course, I realize the bottoms of our shoes are contaminated with virus. My car and golf cart gas and brake pedals are also contaminated. Having said that, for the life of me, I can not imagine the virus can propel itself up from these surfaces and contaminate my eyes, nose or mouth. I may be wrong but I'll take my chances.

I am very aware that the floors are all contaminated with virus so I take special precautions when spot cleaning or washing the floors. Has anyone heard how long the virus remains viable on tile or laminate flooring? How about Chattahoochee river rock that is in my garage? Just wondering.

Donb0975 04-15-2020 12:47 PM
Open only the sports pools as there are no lounge chairs and thus you hopefully wouldn't have those that just want to sun out around the pool. One other thing is the sports pools are set up for lane swimming or walking and no guests, children allowed in sports pools.

roscoguy 04-15-2020 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1746716)
First, this is a "Flu". (Not the Plague).
First, COVID-19 is NOT the flu.

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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1746716)
Let's not punish hard working families in their 30's, 40's, etc. that have a 99.99% chance of surviving the flu.
Second, everybody has a 99.9% chance of surviving the flu as the mortality rate in the U.S. is about 0.1%, or 1 in 1,000 people that become infected. COVID-19 has an estimated mortality rate of 1% by the most optimistic estimates. This is, at minimum, 10 times as high as the flu, or 1 in every 100 who become infected.

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Originally Posted by sail33or (Post 1746716)
Healthy people that get Corona Virus are not going to the hospital. They go home to bed for a few days.
Third, some young and very healthy people definitely are going to hospitals, and some are even dying. Plus, those healthy people that only stay in bed for a few days are very likely capable of infecting others. Where DO you get your news?

roscoguy 04-15-2020 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1746637)
Ever heard of the Great Depression? There was mass suicides because it was so bad.
Another myth, I'm afraid. According to The History Channel,
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"Contrary to popular lore, there was no epidemic of suicides—let alone window-jumpings—in the wake of the Stock Market Crash of 1929. “In the United States the suicide wave that followed the stock market crash is also part of the legend of 1929. In fact, there was none,” wrote economist John Kenneth Galbraith in his book The Great Crash 1929."
1929 Stock Market Crash: Did Panicked Investors Really Jump From Windows? - HISTORY

sallybowron 04-15-2020 01:55 PM
Different
 
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1746143)
Would it be different if this wasn't an election year?
Good question, I think it would have been:pray: different at least at the beginnig of the crisis.

OhioBuckeye 04-15-2020 01:58 PM
Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1746107)
From what I understand, our country is preparing to reopen soon, perhaps on a "rolling" basis, before there's an effective treatment or vaccine for Covid-19. Testing is also projected to remain difficult to get. I'm curious how you all will respond to the call to resume our activities under these conditions.

If the virus is still lurking and we have no weapons against it other than masks, alcohol and distancing, will you go back to your restaurants, town squares, the rec centers for card games, mahjong, jam sessions, Beatles group, ceramics, wood shop, etc.? Or will you continue to stay at home? I'm surprised TV's powers that be haven't polled the community on this important question. (Note to Winston: have you asked your members if they will indeed show up?)

I just don't see the logic in unleashing us prematurely. If the virus is still out there, large numbers of people, or even small numbers of people if you prefer, will continue to contract it and pass it on. And that's the situation that got us into this mess in the first place. Even though the virus was not widespread, there was enough of it to allow it to spread exponentially. What makes us think the same thing won't happen again? It probably will, and that's the set up for the "second wave" we've been hearing about.

So why would we want to make a bad situation worse? And why would the current administration want to commit political suicide in the process?

I just don't get it. Can anyone shed some light? What a Sophie's Choice on the part of our leaders on both sides, huh? Either let the economy crumble and the population go mad or kill off a segment of our citizenry.
I seen on the news that the people in Mich. are protest the stay at home & it showed the streets somewhere
In Mich. & there were thousands of people running the streets. Is this going to be the end of mankind! Now it sounds like the govt. is going to open our country, that’s scary! Also just heard that the banks or the govt. is out of money for loans for businesses. We had better hope there is a god because it’ll take god to help us thru this. Be safe & God Bless!

EdFNJ 04-15-2020 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 1746397)
You are responsible for your own choices.
You are not in control of the choices made by others.
Act accordingly.
There, that wasn't so difficult, was it?
You missed the most important part of your monologue:

You are right to say you are responsible for your own choices however you must consider how YOUR CHOICES CAN AFFECT OTHERS.

The problem is the choice you are making DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT YOU it could possibly sicken or kill others. If it ONLY helped or hurt you personally I would give a hoot. Example: If you want to drink poison and kill yourself that's very sad but fine by me since it's YOUR CHOICE and won't hurt me, but if you want to kill yourself with a head-on collision into my car, then YOUR CHOICE AFFECTS ME.

So I believe the "it's my life and I'll do what I want" is actually quite selfish when it comes to something like this where your choice can spread all over and hurt others.

Remember, it's "WE" not "YOU". We are all involved in this. Consider others when you make YOUR choice whatever it is.

Velvet 04-15-2020 02:48 PM
Even if they open up the economy, we, seniors, don’t have to be afraid. We just have to remember how this virus works. I look at the virus as if it was a dust particle, it is not alive. The only way that it can hurt you is by getting inside your mouth, nose or eyes (as far as we know). So if you keep your hands clean, and soap is a great disinfectant, keep clothes and all surfaces clean and disinfected, then as soon as we are allowed to get them, wear the n95 mask and clear glasses, gloves or wash hands often - hubby literally walks around with disinfectant wipes he makes at home and carries in a zip lock bag. I can’t see how this virus can get to you. If worried about soles of shoes take off as soon as you can and wash them with soapy water.

I wash everything that comes in the house so that I don’t have to keep washing my hands after touching them. So I’ve never been this clean before, or my clothes and you need a magnifying glass to find a speck of dirt in my bathrooms. But it doesn’t take me that long, about 30 minutes a day of cleaning and hopefully they will have a vaccine for us in the near future.

GoPacers 04-15-2020 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by roscoguy (Post 1746854)

Second, everybody has a 99.9% chance of surviving the flu as the mortality rate in the U.S. is about 0.1%, or 1 in 1,000 people that become infected. COVID-19 has an estimated mortality rate of 1% by the most optimistic estimates. This is, at minimum, 10 times as high as the flu, or 1 in every 100 who become infected.
?
There is NO DATA to support this statement. We have absolutely no idea how many people have been exposed to the virus at this point. We only know how many people have tested positive. Increased testing for the disease and an antibody test that helps us know how many people have been infected will give us the necessary data to accurately determine the denominator. Until then, statements like this are uninformed at best.

In addition, everybody does NOT have a 99.9% chance of surviving the flu. You're taking a population based probability and assigning it to each and every individual which is simply not how it works. If that were the case the mortality rates would be the same for all demographics.

DianeM 04-15-2020 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GoPacers (Post 1746946)
There is NO DATA to support this statement. We have absolutely no idea how many people have been exposed to the virus at this point. We only know how many people have tested positive. Increased testing for the disease and an antibody test that helps us know how many people have been infected will give us the necessary data to accurately determine the denominator. Until then, statements like this are uninformed at best.
You cannot test 330 million people, nor should you.
You’re still not shoving a stick up my nose for no good reason.
If I appear sick - fine. If not - don’t even think about it.

blueash 04-15-2020 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1746784)
New York is marking anyone who dies as corona related death.
Do you have a source for that claim that every death in NY is being recorded as corona related? Because it is untrue AFAIK. I'll await your link. You might wish to consult the direction from the CDC, that CDC in Atlanta, on their suggestion for recording causes of death during this pandemic.

DianeM 04-15-2020 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1746957)
Do you have a source for that claim that every death in NY is being recorded as corona related? Because it is untrue AFAIK. I'll await your link. You might wish to consult the direction from the CDC, that CDC in Atlanta, on their suggestion for recording causes of death during this pandemic.
Only my several friends who live there and relate info from local news stations. And I believe I recall Dr. Birx saying something of that nature last week. You can climb down now.

Bogie Shooter 04-15-2020 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1746959)
Only my several friends who live there and relate info from local news stations. And I believe I recall Dr. Birx saying something of that nature last week. You can climb down now.
So it was second handed...……………………….

44Apple 04-15-2020 03:45 PM
“I want the opportunity to infect others!” Wait, that’s not in the Bill of Rights.


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