[RickyLee]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

After a thorough following of the latest thread (13 pages at last check) on Homelessness in The Village, I was reminded of my friend's theory. Tell me what you think.

I mention his name for four reasons: 1, AFAIK, he is the creator of this theory; 2, He lives thousands of miles from here so the chances anyone knows him are slim; 3, His name is part of the theory; and 4. I want to give credit for creation where credit is due.

My friend, his surname is Stroup, told me his theory about Utopia, or "Stroup-topia" if you will. It is very simple. Is it ideal? I wonder.

His theory was this: Get the country's absolute brightest minds from a wide variety of fields (commerce, government, arts, etc.) and put them in a room to fulfill one single task. That task is to assign a point value, 0-10, for every crime, transgression, rule violation, etc.

Something like a murder would be a 10, a rape maybe a 9. A burglary might be worth 4 points. Jaywalking might be 1/4 point.

The theory is this: Once a person has reached 10 points in their lifetime, they are taken out and immediately, unceremoniously, yet humanely, terminated.

From one murder, or a decade of jaywalking, or more than a couple burglaries committed in their misspent youth, once a person has reached 10 points, they have proven themselves to be an unredeemable burden to society in general and the population as a whole.

Could work, maybe?

Hmmm, this strategy will require a lot of thought, but immediately I'm thinking I like it,..., a lot!

[Windguy]

I read a short story many decades ago about the idea of executing people who commit a certain number of crimes. A guy hit the limit when he committed a relatively minor crime and then when on a wild and dangerous chase to get away. Trying to catch him seriously endangered the populace. Is that what you want?

[airstreamingypsy]

Gallagher, the comedian, used to have a bit where drivers carry toy guns with suction cup arrows. When drivers commit traffic offenses, their car gets shot with a suction arrow. When they get five arrows they get ticketed.

[Villages Kahuna]

Then you could de-fund the police.

[DeirdreFoster]

So, the point of this would be that you would not break ANY laws because the consequences is death. Plain and simple. 10 points are very minimal giving you thee urgency to make good choices

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by DeirdreFoster

So, the point of this would be that you would not break ANY laws because the consequences is death. Plain and simple. 10 points are very minimal giving you thee urgency to make good choices

That is exactly the concept. It would be a very different but a clean, safe, productive society for everyone because the non-conformist element and those who have little misgiving about harming others or stealing from them are systematically removed from the environment - on a permanent basis.

[Rainger99]

Two questions

Who would select the panel to choose the country's absolute brightest minds?

While the offender is awaiting trial for the crime or violation that that put them over 10 points, would you give them cashless bail?

[fcgiii]

Originally Posted by DeirdreFoster

So, the point of this would be that you would not break ANY laws because the consequences is death. Plain and simple. 10 points are very minimal giving you thee urgency to make good choices

sure gives a lot of power to those who make the laws, eh?

[fcgiii]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Perhaps a society where everyone knows from a very young age that their actions have eventual consequences might produce a better society for the law abiding and self-accountable folks while protecting them from those who are neither.

Approximately 1 percent of the population are psychopaths. Why not just bump them off? Then another 1% are sociopaths. They gotta go. Then add in the politicians.

Or, just move to Singapore.

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

After a thorough following of the latest thread (13 pages at last check) on Homelessness in The Village, I was reminded of my friend's theory. Tell me what you think.

I mention his name for four reasons: 1, AFAIK, he is the creator of this theory; 2, He lives thousands of miles from here so the chances anyone knows him are slim; 3, His name is part of the theory; and 4. I want to give credit for creation where credit is due.

My friend, his surname is Stroup, told me his theory about Utopia, or "Stroup-topia" if you will. It is very simple. Is it ideal? I wonder.

His theory was this: Get the country's absolute brightest minds from a wide variety of fields (commerce, government, arts, etc.) and put them in a room to fulfill one single task. That task is to assign a point value, 0-10, for every crime, transgression, rule violation, etc.

Something like a murder would be a 10, a rape maybe a 9. A burglary might be worth 4 points. Jaywalking might be 1/4 point.

The theory is this: Once a person has reached 10 points in their lifetime, they are taken out and immediately, unceremoniously, yet humanely, terminated.

From one murder, or a decade of jaywalking, or more than a couple burglaries committed in their misspent youth, once a person has reached 10 points, they have proven themselves to be an unredeemable burden to society in general and the population as a whole.

Could work, maybe?

I think you've been watching Idiocracy a bit too much.....

[obgator]

It's funny but I thought we fought a revolution which was then followed by the coming together of probably the most brilliant minds in our history that sought to form a perfect government framework. I think that they succeeded. Now the question is can we hold on to it?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by fcgiii

sure gives a lot of power to those who make the laws, eh?

"sure gives a lot of power to those who make the laws, eh?"


Which would make the illegal activity and lawbreaking already occurring for some to maintain power - look like kids play. This suggestion isn't "Utopia," it is a pure nightmare for democracies (since it is already occurring in dictatorships/autocracies/Etc.)...and overripe for massive abuse. Which to me, it should be obvious that's the real reason for the proposal in the first place.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Not me. I would not be terminating a lot of people. I’m not advocating mass termination at all. It’s a theory, not a proposal. I’m putting forth a theory I heard of a society with consequences, not of imposing that immediately upon our society. It’s an illustration, an idea, a discussion point, not an actual proposition.

Perhaps a society where everyone knows from a very young age that their actions have eventual consequences might produce a better society for the law abiding and self-accountable folks while protecting them from those who are neither.

Might be best if there were a grace-period, like the points do not start to accumulate until the age of 12 or something. Except for the highest point items of course, you don’t get off scot-free of murder just because you did it five days before you turned 12 or whatever age the appointed geniuses chose.

Better to have a society that is motivated by respect and love of others rather than fear of consequences. This lays on the shoulders of parents and role models (that’s all of us)

[jancarrier00@gmail.com]

I would hope that all of those people that are incredibly smart are familiar with Piaget‘s order of moral development. Children would be wiped out early on without giving age weight to the utopian categories for youth and development into adulthood. As it turns out, many adults never fully reach the highest levels of moral development. I guess they would be eliminated. But folks at the highest levels of moral development wouldn’t be able to carry out the “final consequences.” Catch 22?

Anyway, by definition, utopia is an imaginary construct.

[Deden]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

After a thorough following of the latest thread (13 pages at last check) on Homelessness in The Village, I was reminded of my friend's theory. Tell me what you think.

I mention his name for four reasons: 1, AFAIK, he is the creator of this theory; 2, He lives thousands of miles from here so the chances anyone knows him are slim; 3, His name is part of the theory; and 4. I want to give credit for creation where credit is due.

My friend, his surname is Stroup, told me his theory about Utopia, or "Stroup-topia" if you will. It is very simple. Is it ideal? I wonder.

His theory was this: Get the country's absolute brightest minds from a wide variety of fields (commerce, government, arts, etc.) and put them in a room to fulfill one single task. That task is to assign a point value, 0-10, for every crime, transgression, rule violation, etc.

Something like a murder would be a 10, a rape maybe a 9. A burglary might be worth 4 points. Jaywalking might be 1/4 point.

The theory is this: Once a person has reached 10 points in their lifetime, they are taken out and immediately, unceremoniously, yet humanely, terminated.

From one murder, or a decade of jaywalking, or more than a couple burglaries committed in their misspent youth, once a person has reached 10 points, they have proven themselves to be an unredeemable burden to society in general and the population as a whole.

Could work, maybe?

AUFN How many points do u get for this post. 11??