[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

And so it begins.........

NutritionFacts.org | The Latest in Nutrition Related Research

Plant-based diets may positively influence mental health.

Vegetarians, in both cross-sectional and interventional studies, appear to have fewer symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress, and mood disturbance than omnivores, perhaps because of less need for medical treatment or because of the significantly lower intake of arachidonic acid, which is found in particularly high levels in chicken and eggs.

The genetic manipulation of chickens by the poultry industry may also have negative public mental health impacts. Chicken has been linked to a variety of neurological and psychiatric Toxoplasma brain parasites from meat have been linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder.


Google "arachidonic acid"
.

And so it continues.....

Please show me one, just one LEGITIMATE study that shows any of this nonsense is true. By legitimate, I mean New England Journal of Medicine or Journal of the American Medical Association---Multi University setting, placebo controlled, double blinded. NOT nutrition.org, not homeopathic anything, not some web site, and certainly not that ridiculous journal that publishes dissertations by candidates for a doctorate in pharmacy
BTW, our bodies are constantly breaking down cell membrane phospholipids into arachidonic acid, which is a precursor to a whole array of both beneficial prostaglandins as well as not so welcome inflammatory mediators through the action of cyclooxygenase and lipooxygenase.. I doubt that oral intake of arachidonic acid, if it even survives digestion, would have any effect on these processes
And I STILL think this thread was masterminded by VPL

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Vegetarian diets and mental health from NIH:

Vegetarian diet and mental disorders: results from a representative community survey. :mmmmmm:


Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the adoption of the vegetarian diet tends to follow the onset of mental disorders.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

popcorn Indeed! Well said!

[looneycat]

does a healthy appetite count? seriously, it is hard to know what is healthy anymore with all the fad diets and dangerous misinformation out there. Just look at poor gluten, food producers fall all over themselves to say their product doesn't contain gluten. most of these products don't contain wheat to begin with, they obviously think we are morons. the fact is that the only people who should avoid it are those with celiac disease while for the rest of us it is an important part of our diet as eliminating gluten eliminates some essential dietary vitamins and minerals.

[rubicon]

I posted this once before and it seems it fits with this thread nicely

A Failed Experiement


"The US Dietary Guidelines were first released by the Department of Agriculture and the Department of Health and Services in 1980. Edward Ahrens nutritional expert on fat and cholesterol metabolism called the guidelines "a national experiment with the American public as subject treating them like a homogeneous group of Sprague-Dawley rats."

The original goals were to:
1) increase American carbohydrate consumption to 55-60% caloric intake
2) reduce fat consumption to less than 30% from 40% of caloric intake
3) reduce saturated fat to 10% of calories and increase poly and monounsaturated fats to 10% of calories
4) reduce cholesterol intake to less than 300 milligrams a day
5) reduce sugar intake by 40%
6) reduce salt consumption by 50-80%

These six goals could not have been more misdirected. Reducing fat and increasing carbohydrates only led to more weight gain.

In February 2015 the Dietary Guideline Advisory Committee declared that eggs and certain fats are no longer the enemy and that cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for over consumption.

Promoting polyunsaturated fats as a safer alternative to saturated fats exposed the population to transfats which are more harmful to the heart

The dietary restriction on sodium have also shown no justification

The World Health Organization recently warned against eating processed and red meats, a finding based principally on observational studies as opposed to properly controlled clinical studies and with the fact that one third of the committee did not agree with the report's findings.

A reasonable argument can be made that the only perspective of the original guidelines that proved correct was that they represented, as Ahrens stated " a nutritional experiment" on the American public. By any reasonable standard of science that experiment failed. "

David A. McCarron , University California-Davis, Department of Nutrition
and Chairman-elect American Society for Nutrition's Medical/Nutrition Council . (WSJ 11-28-29-15)


I personally believe that many consumers are easy swayed because it is human nature for self preservation. And so if a so called expert tells you something is bad for you because of its natural properties or additives many will respond in the affirmative for fear of harming themselves. Its also in my view subjective when people speak of free range grain fed, etc.

Farmers and ranchers have been involved in genetics for a very very long time. The world population is exploding and we need to rely on new technologies to meet those demands.

Those experts peddling confusion do so for political or monetary gain or both.
WHO recent proposal had been tied to their climate change agenda .

Many nations in the United Nations promote this agenda to thwart capitalism


Bon Appetit

[rhart]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

And so it begins.........

NutritionFacts.org | The Latest in Nutrition Related Research

Plant-based diets may positively influence mental health.

Vegetarians, in both cross-sectional and interventional studies, appear to have fewer symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress, and mood disturbance than omnivores, perhaps because of less need for medical treatment or because of the significantly lower intake of arachidonic acid, which is found in particularly high levels in chicken and eggs.

The genetic manipulation of chickens by the poultry industry may also have negative public mental health impacts. Chicken has been linked to a variety of neurological and psychiatric Toxoplasma brain parasites from meat have been linked to schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder.


Google "arachidonic acid"
.

Good ol Dr Greger. He has it down cold. I'll look you up when I get to TV. This thread sure got nasty. You can tell who are stubbornly hanging on to the old diet of 1950's. Victims of big beef, big Pharma, big poultry. Don't eat healthful food just take pills.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And so it continues.....

Please show me one, just one LEGITIMATE study that shows any of this nonsense is true. By legitimate, I mean New England Journal of Medicine or Journal of the American Medical Association---Multi University setting, placebo controlled, double blinded. NOT nutrition.org, not homeopathic anything, not some web site, and certainly not that ridiculous journal that publishes dissertations by candidates for a doctorate in pharmacy
BTW, our bodies are constantly breaking down cell membrane phospholipids into arachidonic acid, which is a precursor to a whole array of both beneficial prostaglandins as well as not so welcome inflammatory mediators through the action of cyclooxygenase and lipooxygenase.. I doubt that oral intake of arachidonic acid, if it even survives digestion, would have any effect on these processes
And I STILL think this thread was masterminded by VPL

I think VPL has left us for the vegetable patch up there. I know one thing, when people start spouting things like "Big Pharma" and allude to just take pills, I know they are against traditional medicine which is close to a religion to me.


I won't bore you with all of the dramatic and sad things that would have happened without traditional medical science. The folks who would be missing from my life. Also the folks in medicine that I almost deify.


I am a decent cook and I also understand nutrition fairly well so our diet is varied and healthy with exceptions for fun eating here and there. (A little too much at this time of year) but what value is your life without legitimate pleasure.


I think I am sorta mad. But certainly not at you Doc. WELL SAID, KIDDO.

[jimbo2012]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1159653 just take pills, I know they are against traditional medicine which is close to a religion to me.[/QUOTE]

Gracie

You are sooooo far off base with that comment.

No understanding of the veg/vegan diet or life style, but you chime in negatively of all related topic.

Take a read of "Forks over knives", as just one example

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by rhart

Good ol Dr Greger. He has it down cold. I'll look you up when I get to TV. This thread sure got nasty. You can tell who are stubbornly hanging on to the old diet of 1950's. Victims of big beef, big Pharma, big poultry. Don't eat healthful food just take pills.

You don't know what people here eat or don't eat.

[jimbo2012]

I do.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Gracie

You are sooooo far off base with that comment...

What comment? Her defense of traditional medicine? Not off base at all.

[Jima64]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think VPL has left us for the vegetable patch up there. I know one thing, when people start spouting things like "Big Pharma" and allude to just take pills, I know they are against traditional medicine which is close to a religion to me.


I won't bore you with all of the dramatic and sad things that would have happened without traditional medical science. The folks who would be missing from my life. Also the folks in medicine that I almost deify.


I am a decent cook and I also understand nutrition fairly well so our diet is varied and healthy with exceptions for fun eating here and there. (A little too much at this time of year) but what value is your life without legitimate pleasure.


I think I am sorta mad. But certainly not at you Doc. WELL SAID, KIDDO.

Could't agree with you more. I too like to enjoy life in moderation after a life of hard work.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Gracie

You are sooooo far off base with that comment.

No understanding of the veg/vegan diet or life style, but you chime in negatively of all related topic.

Take a read of "Forks over knives", as just one example

I have read that and "The China Study".


I am not excited about Dr. Greger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And so it continues.....



Please show me one, just one LEGITIMATE study that shows any of this nonsense is true. By legitimate, I mean New England Journal of Medicine or Journal of the American Medical Association---Multi University setting, placebo controlled, double blinded. NOT nutrition.org, not homeopathic anything, not some web site, and certainly not that ridiculous journal that publishes dissertations by candidates for a doctorate in pharmacy

BTW, our bodies are constantly breaking down cell membrane phospholipids into arachidonic acid, which is a precursor to a whole array of both beneficial prostaglandins as well as not so welcome inflammatory mediators through the action of cyclooxygenase and lipooxygenase.. I doubt that oral intake of arachidonic acid, if it even survives digestion, would have any effect on these processes

And I STILL think this thread was masterminded by VPL

You're still correct doc. People believe some strange things about foods, supplements and certain diets. Much is hype, and a lot is just modern snake oil.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have read that and "The China Study".


I am not excited about Dr. Greger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger

Neither am I. He's a salesman. And his American College of Lifestyle Medicine is a good example.