[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Maybe they should get rid of priority/enhanced all together.

That's not going to happen. The Enhanced Membership is a huge money maker for TV.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by swooner

This thread has digressed from the original intent of the Post. It has nothing to do with Executive Golf. It pertains only to Championship Golf where Priority Members rights are being violated by groups not adhering to the principles of the Tee Time System. I have also learned that many of these groups have less than 32 members and are still being allowed to play without using the Tee Time System. Anyone who has paid for a priority membership should complain to Golf Administration as rights you have paid good money for are being infringed on by this dubious 32 player privilege stupidity.

I'm with you a 1000%, but "complaining" doesn't do any good in TV. The only way to get them to pay attention, is hit them in where it hurts ... revenue.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

As of right now, there are 16 single spots open at Palmer tomorrow, between the hours of 8 am - 2 pm.

There are 12 single spots open at Cane Garden.

There are 28 spots available at Mallory.

There are 14 spots available at Belle Glade.

By tomorrow, there'll be nary a spot available at any of those courses.

By my count, you are WAAAAY off. There are well more than 200 open spots for tomorrow, alone...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

By my count, you are WAAAAY off. There are well more than 200 open spots for tomorrow, alone...

Probably 100 at OBH.

[swooner]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Probably 100 at OBH.

On Wednesday and I believe Saturday, OBH is one of the biggest offenders.

[JGibson]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

That's not going to happen. The Enhanced Membership is a huge money maker for TV.

Sounds like a scam if what the OP is saying is true.

Could even be something challenged in the courts. It's a monetary legal agreement.

I doubt we would actually win but it would shed a big spotlight on TV business practices.

Maybe the V-N would pick up the story. lol.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

By my count, you are WAAAAY off. There are well more than 200 open spots for tomorrow, alone...

That doesn’t seem too bad. The post on revenue indicated there are 4300 tee times (I won’t audit his math). Less than 5% seems okay.

I would guess, for 9 months out of the year, there is 25% availability the day before.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Sounds like a scam if what the OP is saying is true.

Could even be something challenged in the courts. It's a monetary legal agreement.

I doubt we would actually win but it would shed a big spotlight on TV business practices.

Maybe the V-N would pick up the story. lol.

Has anyone actually read the terms and conditions of the enhanced membership? I haven’t - I base my decision to get it based on 3 sentences on the web site.
I would think, they thought about that when they designed the system.

Let me see, let’s build a multi billion industry, but not think about the legal exposure of the enhanced tee time system.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

That doesn’t seem too bad. The post on revenue indicated there are 4300 tee times (I won’t audit his math). Less than 5% seems okay.

I would guess, for 9 months out of the year, there is 25% availability the day before.

"Well over 200"... That's where I stopped counting... I wasn't close to being done...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Has anyone actually read the terms and conditions of the enhanced membership? I haven’t - I base my decision to get it based on 3 sentences on the web site.
I would think, they thought about that when they designed the system.

Let me see, let’s build a multi billion industry, but not think about the legal exposure of the enhanced tee time system.

I'm sure it exists, but I can't find it. I did an online search last night and didn't come up with it. I know I was never given anything when I signed up for it ... at least not that I remember.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by swooner

It recently came to my attention that The Villages Golf Administration provides special privileges to groups of 32 or more members. This highly unadvertised practice enables groups of that size or larger to pre-establish regular recurring Tee Times at various Villages courses. At least two courses, OBH and Lopez Legacy, and possibly more, prebook these groups on a regular weekly basis to the detriment of Priority Members who compete for Tee Times through TV Tee Time System. These privileged groups include both Priority and Non-Priority Golfers.

Paying an annual Priority Membership Fee ($777) is supposed to provide certain privileges such as having priority for booking over groups that include non-Priority members. All groups in addition are supposed to be prioritized for booking purposes based on total group playing points that have been accumulated during the past 7 days. By pre booking groups of 32 or more players irrespective of these rules, Golf Administration has established a prejudicial procedure in violation of the benefits upon which they sell Priority Memberships.

After referring this issue to Golf Administration, I was essentially told, sorry, that's the way it is. It seems that they don't care if they violate the very precepts under which they sell Priority memberships to the detriment of all of us Priority members who play by the rules. If enough of you express your concerns about this to Golf Administration, perhaps they will be obliged to review and eliminate this practice that clearly violates the terms under which Priority Memberships are sold.

It’s explained on Golfthevillages.com.

Golf The Villages

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

It’s explained on Golfthevillages.com.

Golf The Villages

The only description I could find, is attached. It says you get "priority access to Tee Times .... "

I guess it's a little deceptive

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The only description I could find, is attached. It says you get "priority access to Tee Times .... "

I guess it's a little deceptive

This is on the website;

Championship Course Group Day Information
Do you have a group of 8 - 32 players that would like to play together once a week?

We have created Group Days on Tuesday and Wednesday mornings for you! This simply means that groups of 8 - 32 will have preference for Tee Times from 7:28 to 9:28 at Tierra Del Sol, Hacienda, Cane Garden, Mallory Hill, Evans Prairie and Belle Glade opposite the courses scheduled for Men's and Ladies' Day. The window of request should be that of the entire morning wave (7:28 - 9:28), and should include any / all of the following courses: Tierra Del Sol, Hacienda Hills, Cane Garden, and Mallory Hill, Evans Prairie, and Belle Glade and should have a minimum of 8 players. For further information please call the Tee Time Office at 750-4558.

Group Day Course Schedule

February 14 and 15 - Hacienda Hills, Cane Garden and Evans Prairie
February 21 and 22 - Hacienda Hills, Mallory Hill and Belle Glade
February 28 - Tierra Del Sol, Cane Garden and Evans Prairie

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by John Mayes

This is on the website;

Championship Course Group Day Information
Do you have a group of 8 - 32 players that would like to play together once a week?

We have created Group Days on Tuesday and Wednesday mornings for you! This simply means that groups of 8 - 32 will have preference for Tee Times from 7:28 to 9:28 at Tierra Del Sol, Hacienda, Cane Garden, Mallory Hill, Evans Prairie and Belle Glade opposite the courses scheduled for Men's and Ladies' Day. The window of request should be that of the entire morning wave (7:28 - 9:28), and should include any / all of the following courses: Tierra Del Sol, Hacienda Hills, Cane Garden, and Mallory Hill, Evans Prairie, and Belle Glade and should have a minimum of 8 players. For further information please call the Tee Time Office at 750-4558.

Group Day Course Schedule

February 14 and 15 - Hacienda Hills, Cane Garden and Evans Prairie
February 21 and 22 - Hacienda Hills, Mallory Hill and Belle Glade
February 28 - Tierra Del Sol, Cane Garden and Evans Prairie

Thanks for posting the information to those who didn’t know about Group days, along with Mens and Ladies Day.

I have played in a group that has utilized the “group play” on Champion courses, since it was allowed. There were anywhere from 12-28 priority member players, on any given week.

Have been a “Priority” member since 2010, at my renewal in April it will become “enhanced membership”. The group has been around since 2007 and probably years prior. Group play may be considered, a bird in hand move, tee time’s are booked without much work on the group organizer’s or the club.

Rarely does anyone in the group not show up, unless it’s a emergency, like one of the guys ends up in the ED, or worse, (that worse happened a week ago), so sorry about the late notice cancellation to those who are unhappy with group play.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Probably 100 at OBH.

I thought you were kidding, until I looked at open tee times tomorrow (SUNDAY) at Orange Blossom Hills, it’s easier to count the tee times taken than the ones available.

Is it the course or the location?