[elle123]

Originally Posted by Snowbirdtobe

I just saw a pleading from Doctor Jim Besong filing an objection to assumption of his contract in the bankruptcy process.
I would include a cut and paste of the response but it's an image from a fax.
I expect that more will follow. More lawyers getting $$.

I'd like the Justice Department to go after the ringleaders of this massive $350 million Medicare fraud and all the ancillary hoodlums who profited mightily from this criminality.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by elle123

I'd like the Justice Department to go after the ringleaders of this massive $350 million Medicare fraud and all the ancillary hoodlums who profited mightily from this criminality.

And yet another uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion from the torches and pitchforks crowd.
OK, I'll bite. You know this to be the case because.....You are the lawyer for TVH? You are their accountant? You are a member of the Morse family?
Has anyone seen the term "fraud" used anywhere officially, or is only on social media?
And I love the phrase "ancillary hoodlums who profited mightily from this criminality."---Was Jennifer Parr moonlighting as a mugger of little old ladies in the park?

I've seen less crap come out of my granddaughter's diaper.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by Snowbirdtobe

I just saw a pleading from Doctor Jim Besong filing an objection to assumption of his contract in the bankruptcy process.
I would include a cut and paste of the response but it's an image from a fax.
I expect that more will follow. More lawyers getting $$.

His starting pay was $230,000! I was shocked. He should be working very hard indeed for that sort of money. I was interested in what he learned about the “billing methodology” of The Villages. Is that a between-the-lines hint that he’s willing to testify about how the illegal billing was done?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

His starting pay was $230,000! I was shocked. He should be working very hard indeed for that sort of money. I was interested in what he learned about the “billing methodology” of The Villages. Is that a between-the-lines hint that he’s willing to testify about how the illegal billing was done?

$230K "shocked you"???

Then sit down, because even though I've been retired for 10 years, I receive an offer to work in Clearwater, 4 days/week, office only, no on-call, no more than 14 patients/day, 6 weeks' vacation and 2 weeks CME for $540,000 + signing bonus + benefits. $230K is LOW

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

I wouldn't think ONE doctor out of many would be reasonable to deduce many others are.

I got a letter that my doctor was retiring so make that 2

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by elle123

I'd like the Justice Department to go after the ringleaders of this massive $350 million Medicare fraud and all the ancillary hoodlums who profited mightily from this criminality.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And yet another uninformed, unsubstantiated opinion from the torches and pitchforks crowd.
OK, I'll bite. You know this to be the case because.....You are the lawyer for TVH? You are their accountant? You are a member of the Morse family?
Has anyone seen the term "fraud" used anywhere officially, or is only on social media?
And I love the phrase "ancillary hoodlums who profited mightily from this criminality."---Was Jennifer Parr moonlighting as a mugger of little old ladies in the park?

I've seen less crap come out of my granddaughter's diaper.

I agree with GE.

[Retiredsteve]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe, but quality would rise by 50%

That doesn't even make sense. Are you saying foreign taught doctors are not as qualified? Do you have data on that or is once again make a statement regardless of the truth?

[Angelhug52]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

I'd put my money on the Village Health

Already know one of doctors we use has submitted 6 month notice. Sad situation.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I guess Graduates of Medical Schools in the Caribbean aren't paid the big money.

Originally Posted by MandoMan

His starting pay was $230,000! I was shocked. He should be working very hard indeed for that sort of money.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

$230K "shocked you"???

Then sit down, because even though I've been retired for 10 years, I receive an offer to work in Clearwater, 4 days/week, office only, no on-call, no more than 14 patients/day, 6 weeks' vacation and 2 weeks CME for $540,000 + signing bonus + benefits. $230K is LOW

The only reason that particular doctor was only getting back $230,000, is likely his pedigree isn't all that great.

Any Dr who's not making $300K+ is being under-paid and there's usually a reason why.

It's the 21st Century and quite honestly, I think Doctors have been under-paid for years. The 8 years of being tortured in school & a couple more years of torture in the Residency system? What other profession has to wait until they're nearly 30 years old, before then can earn a decent living?

[Marmaduke]

The fantastic 90 year old company that I worked for in N.C. for many years could not sustain itself during the dasterdly 2008-2012 years, due to slow reimbursement rates and reduced Medicaid payments.

As the ship was slowly sinking, we were all looking to jump.

One morning, the Medical Director announced that our pay would be late, but they have negotiated with a firm that will "TakeOver", and announced the well known service providers name. (I gasped).

That was a hard 5 minutes for me.

Quickly albeit with sadness, I knew the law, and I knew my "out" wasn't in the lesser company taking over, (I would have to continue), it was in my current company giving us letters that our pay would be delayed.
I gave my notice immediately following morning meeting, but offered to stay as long as they needed me, during the take over.

My colleagues stayed and sweated the known horrendous new workload of the new company's business model.

They all quit within 6 months and fought legal battles.

They had their chance to see the loophole, but wanted the job security in hard economic times.
I couldn't blame them, but the takeover company had a bad reputation and I didn't want anything to do with them.

Interesting how fast these salvation companies scoop in to save the day, like Mighty Mouse!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by New Englander

I use The Villages Health and this is depressing. The whole situation keeps getting more complicated.

IMO this what happens when they put hands in exclusive UHC pockets.

[Greatlawn]

This is speculation but maybe worth a thought. AI will change medicine, why spend eight years re-learning a fraction of what a AI Bot already knows? Another four years learning to apply that knowledge? The Bot can instantly update its knowledge and skills and apply them in medical practice without relearning and retraining. The role of humans has to be defined but it will be integrated with the AI model. Perhaps Drs will be trained as medical software engineers. At the care layer they may become reviewers and approvers rather than practicing physicians. The fewer humans in a system the more efficient it becomes. No question that medicine as practiced today is inefficient, resulting in over treatment, misdiagnoses, readmissions, unnecessary deaths and yes, billing "errors."

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

$230K "shocked you"???

Then sit down, because even though I've been retired for 10 years, I receive an offer to work in Clearwater, 4 days/week, office only, no on-call, no more than 14 patients/day, 6 weeks' vacation and 2 weeks CME for $540,000 + signing bonus + benefits. $230K is LOW

Congrats - you did very well !

A 10 second google came back with this:

What is the salary range of a Physician General Practitioner? As of August 01, 2025, the average annual salary for a Physician General Practitioner in the United States ranges from $230,990 (25th percentile) to $270,490 (75th percentile), with a median annual salary of $245,290 and an hourly rate of $118. A Physician General Practitioner's salary is shaped by several key factors, including experience level, specific skills, industry differences, company size, and more. Below, we'll explore how each of these influences compensation.

[Davelinda91]

It's getting to sound more and more like the developer (Morse family) reaped the benefits from the mass over billing of Medicare thru multiple corporations. Now they are trying to borrow money from one of their own and charge/pay themself a 12 percent interest rate.
The web is bigger than we know!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Greatlawn

This is speculation but maybe worth a thought. AI will change medicine, why spend eight years re-learning a fraction of what a AI Bot already knows? Another four years learning to apply that knowledge? The Bot can instantly update its knowledge and skills and apply them in medical practice without relearning and retraining. The role of humans has to be defined but it will be integrated with the AI model. Perhaps Drs will be trained as medical software engineers. At the care layer they may become reviewers and approvers rather than practicing physicians. The fewer humans in a system the more efficient it becomes. No question that medicine as practiced today is inefficient, resulting in over treatment, misdiagnoses, readmissions, unnecessary deaths and yes, billing "errors."

Yup and they said dentistry will be taken over by AI also. There is only one problem with the AI scenerio.. the father of the AI movement, John McCarthy, indicated we could all be wiped off the face of the earth by AI unless measures were taken to control it. Per AI: John McCarthy, one of the founders of AI, had a nuanced view on the potential risks of advanced AI. While he strongly advocated for developing AI systems based on logic and formalization, which he believed would make them more controllable and comprehensible, he did express concern about the possibility of an AI system becoming uncontrollable.
Here's a closer look at his perspective:
Focus on Logic and Controllability: McCarthy emphasized using logic as a foundation for AI, hoping to create systems that could be understood and controlled. He explicitly stated his desire to have AI systems function as "servants" and even argued against giving robots human-like emotions to avoid them developing their own social status or becoming targets for sympathy or dislike.
Concerns about "Black Box" AI: He expressed concern that an AI system developed through evolutionary processes, without a clear logical structure, might become an uncontrollable "black box". He believed that even if such an AI achieved impressive results, a logical understanding of it would be essential for control and would be more "scientifically satisfying".
Emphasis on Human Control and Alignment: McCarthy's work suggests that he believed AI development should prioritize human control and ensure AI systems align with human values and interests. In essence, McCarthy didn't dismiss the possibility of AI posing risks, particularly concerning the loss of control or the failure to align with human values. His research and advocacy reflected a desire to create AI that was not only intelligent but also understandable, predictable, and ultimately beneficial to humanity rather than a threat.