[kendi]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

How many people have any of us met who are in the "wrong", committed a behavior that is actually very dangerous, and then if it is brought to their attention, they posture and puff up and, like this person, the only thing they have to back up their position are really nasty words and gestures ? ? You can tell them every time. They have no support for what they have done, so they have to revert to the lowest level of their "intellect". Letting people like this know that you recognize how illegal or dangerous their behavior is, you can at the least expect some really nasty vocabulary, and it could result in a bad beating or even being shot these days ! Civil behavior in a community designed for older folks is FAR from "civil" here !

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

A couple problems with that post:

A walker is not required to jump off the path when a cart (or cycle) approaches. Plus, there are sections of MMP that just don't have the space to do that.

A "courtesy" is just that, the pedestrian is not required to give a courtesy. On the other hand, the cart is required to yield the right of way.

A cart driver is not forced to drive in the opposite "lane" or into oncoming traffic by a pedestrian, he chooses to do so. The law would suggest he must take the other option---STOP or slow down until the oncoming lane is clear. I have no idea why any cart driver would think they are entitled to drive at max speed on a MMP, never slowing down, stopping or yielding. Actually, I do, I just wrote it----ENTITLEMENT

And finally, the last 2 sentences of the OP suggests that a cart only has to avoid pedestrians walking in the same direction as he is. Please don't test THAT theory.

So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by kendi

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

Some never get wiser.

[russtcc]

I would suggest walkers always walk facing any type of traffic on any type of path that has wheels (including bicycles). With the advent of electric bicycles their speed changes things. I had an electric bicycle pass my cart and I was doing 20!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

If I was approached by walkers side by side I would stop the cart in the right-hand half of the MMP and wait for them to decide what they want to do.

• - I can't drive into them. They can't climb over my cart.
• - I'm retired and can probably miss whatever I am heading towards. They are just out for a walk with no place in particular to go.
• - I'm sitting down, probably in the shade, with music to listen to. They are standing, maybe in the sun.

The right solution, of course, is for the cart to slow until the oncoming cart has passed then move towards the other lane to make room and for the walkers to converge to a single-file line near the edge of the MMP.

Unfortunately, these days common courtesy is not as common as it ought to be and compromise is too often seen as losing.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

We've all encountered someone like that if we've lived here any amount of time. I recall a guy coming out of a tunnel right after I'd passed it, over by the Sherrif's annex on 466. Apparently the guy was in a hurry for his softball game (he had on the clothes) and was late. Traffic was coming our way and he wanted to get past me. He was cursing and waving his fist. My first inclination would have been to slow down a bit just to be stubborn but thought it wasn't worth it, so pulled over. He went to pass me but stopped long enough to curse further. Hope he had a "good" day! Another time I was with a friend and had to stop at an intersection to cross. It was at that round-about going into LSL off of Buena Vista. Couldn't go as the car traffic was dense so the line behind me kept building. A guy about 3 or 4 carts back began to curse as he wanted things to move. My thought was "WOW!! So I should get killed so he can get wherever he felt he was more important to go??" People here need to dial it back. One day they might encounter someone who they can't intimidate!!

I would just ignore it. The guy was not cursing you really, or the traffic or anything else, he was just cursing his life.

[chicksinger]

Don't walk blindly period. Don't expect everyone to be paying attention, because they clearly don't and you should always expect things may go awry, but whenever you are walking and vehicles are present, of any sort, you ALWAYS walk against the traffic so you see who's coming and hopefully so do they.. and if you notice they're not looking at you, get out of the way, pronto! You don't want to walk with the traffic because they are coming up behind you and you can't see them or what they're doing or how fast they're coming so you have no control if they don't happen to see you or are unaware and you are definitely going down!

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by kendi

I will never forget the day decades ago in my 20s when I first realized some don’t get wiser as they get older. I was walking into Walgreens when an old man as nasty as can be was coming out. At that age and still hadn’t learned how to control his emotions. Reminded me of a two yo. I was shocked and definitely let down by this realization. I have since come to the conclusion that many never learn. I also learned that you never know how your actions will affect another. That man was probably too angry to even notice I was there. But he sure made a huge impression that has lasted a lifetime.

That kind of anger can be a sign of dementia.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So I got 3 walkers coming towards me blocking the whole lane with some traffic coming. I come to stop in my lane. Somebody has to give. I either have move off path into grass or to opposite lane when clear. Or the walkers stop, have to fall in single file, or step off till congestion clears. It’s not always clear cut. Nobody should demand right of way but give way to stay safe. if they don’t that entitlement IMO.

I look at this from a "reality" perspective. If you stop, and they DON'T move over, then they'll have to climb over your golf cart in order to get past you. If you don't stop, and they DON'T move over, you'll run them over.

So it's really up to them to move over. There's no reason pedestrians NEED to walk three abreast on a two-lane MMP.

In my neighborhood we have neighbors who congregate in the middle of the road to chit-chat. It's a small road that doesn't get much traffic since it doesn't lead anywhere other than - into the neighborhood, and back out again. It's not a "thru-way."

When that happens, if I want to get past them with a vehicle I beep my horn and yell at them "get a job!" and we all laugh and they move out of the way. After I pass them they move right back into the middle of the road. I love my neighborhood!