[Village Kid 2]

If folks want to nitpick, you can say your daughter is staying 30 days, 3 hours at a time.

A day is 24 hours. 30 days is 720 hours. It would take 240 days at 3 hours a day or 48 weeks of 5 days a week to use the allowed time.

Hmmm, that just might cover it.

But who's counting, VK2

(p.s. Are we really that concerned what goes on inside other people's homes?)

[Sydney]

Let’s see, if my neighbor has 5 grandchildren of various ages. Parents of 3 are in their late twenties and the parents of the other 2 are in their mid thirties and they moved to the area so they could enjoy all the benefits The Villages had to offer and of course to be near Mom and Dad.

Grandma and Grandpa watch two of the children everyday from 8am till 5pm while their parents are at work. The other three grandchildren are in school, they are at Grandma and Grandpa’s from 3pm till 6pm while their parents work.

They really enjoy The Villages, riding their bikes and skateboards up and down the streets, playing ball outside in Grandma and Grandpa’s yard and of course in my yard too, since there are no fences and they don’t know where one yard ends and the other begins.

The kids and grandkids also love spending time at the pools and other recreational facilities.

What a deal! They get to enjoy all the amenities and lifestyle, for the single amenity fee paid by Grandma and Grandpa.

What happened to my Retirement Community?

[gnu]

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar

Fumar The whole point of a 55+ community is to not have children around us every day. I LOVE my granddaughter, but wouldn't think of having her around every day, or feel that my neighbors who bought into the over 55 lifestyle should have my granddaughter impose on their rights.

Some humans forget that "Their Rights end at the end of their noses" and anything beyond that distance affects "someone else's rights."

I'm not going to worry about stepping on someones toes if their actions invade my rights.

[Cassie325]

I think there is a VERY easy answer to this...Lakeside Landing is a beautiful community and has their own amenities. You made a good choice for your family. It is right across the street from TV's....you may come visit your mom at anytime as anyone is allowed to visit. I am sure you can easily prove that you are NOT living in TV's....but just visiting....you can see Mom daily.

However, for the sake of keeping peace....and actually for the comfort of the baby...wouldn't it be easier for Grandma to come to your place...all of her things are their....and it is only for a couple of hours each day....

My experience with kids in TV's has been very mixed...we stay at our non-villages place MOST of the time because there is a level of respect we need to keep for the folks that have bought here and there are rules....some people don't mind at all and in fact don't even know when we are at TV's home....our daughter doesn't really make a lot of noise...perhaps a baby does...but really I can't imagine that is the case....we have made it work and our neighbors ALL know our situation....we have been very honest and open with those we needed to....

Tha hard part is that there are many new communities outside of TV's that are advertising to families to come live close to Grandma and GRandpa...which is wonderful....my parents just bought here so they could be close to us....but what good does it do if we can't spend time with them.

This is a VERY hard issue....there are many young seniors moving here that want those grandbabies moving close....they want to see them as often as possible...

I would imagine that the "30 day" rule would mean a 24 hour period...playing and sleeping over and visiting from out of town....we also have a in-area guest passes that allow family to visit 365 days a year....an infant would not need a guest pass but may need one to "cover"

This again is a hard issue....what is the most important thing to fight for....grandma babysitting three hours a day....for free...because she wants to OR fighting with all the other residents in the neighborhood....

I hate to say it....but it seems simple to me....give Grandma some money each week for gas....or get a street legal cart....easy enough....

Sorry to not really be on your side...just think at some point we need ot try to make it work for everyone!!!!

Sorry to be so long winded...this happens sometimes with me!

[ejp52]

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar

SORRY BUT THEMS THE RULES .........YOU SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE WHEN YOU BUY IN HERE THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE BI-LAWS AND YOU HAVEN'T A LEG TO STAND ON IN COURT.........
OH YOU CAN FIGHT IT IN COURT BUT YOU'LL LOSE AND IT WILL COST YOU A TON OF MONEY....YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON ASKED TO LEAVE THE VILLAGES AND WON'T BE THE LAST....
THE POSITION OF THE VILLAGES IS "THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMM UNTIE AND NOT A DAY CARE " .

there is one village here that you can buy into and have all the children you want...but there is obviously someone that doesn't want children playing next to their retirement home ....and I'm not sure I blame them.....they have probably spent their life saving for for a wonderful , peaceful , place to live out their life's and not next to a school playground ....
I know this sounds harsh but thats exactly why those rules are in there ...

Sorry about the toes fumar

[ejp52]

Originally Posted by Cassie325

I think there is a VERY easy answer to this...Lakeside Landing is a beautiful community and has their own amenities. You made a good choice for your family. It is right across the street from TV's....you may come visit your mom at anytime as anyone is allowed to visit. I am sure you can easily prove that you are NOT living in TV's....but just visiting....you can see Mom daily.

However, for the sake of keeping peace....and actually for the comfort of the baby...wouldn't it be easier for Grandma to come to your place...all of her things are their....and it is only for a couple of hours each day....

My experience with kids in TV's has been very mixed...we stay at our non-villages place MOST of the time because there is a level of respect we need to keep for the folks that have bought here and there are rules....some people don't mind at all and in fact don't even know when we are at TV's home....our daughter doesn't really make a lot of noise...perhaps a baby does...but really I can't imagine that is the case....we have made it work and our neighbors ALL know our situation....we have been very honest and open with those we needed to....

Tha hard part is that there are many new communities outside of TV's that are advertising to families to come live close to Grandma and GRandpa...which is wonderful....my parents just bought here so they could be close to us....but what good does it do if we can't spend time with them.

This is a VERY hard issue....there are many young seniors moving here that want those grandbabies moving close....they want to see them as often as possible...

I would imagine that the "30 day" rule would mean a 24 hour period...playing and sleeping over and visiting from out of town....we also have a in-area guest passes that allow family to visit 365 days a year....an infant would not need a guest pass but may need one to "cover"

This again is a hard issue....what is the most important thing to fight for....grandma babysitting three hours a day....for free...because she wants to OR fighting with all the other residents in the neighborhood....

I hate to say it....but it seems simple to me....give Grandma some money each week for gas....or get a street legal cart....easy enough....

Sorry to not really be on your side...just think at some point we need ot try to make it work for everyone!!!!

Sorry to be so long winded...this happens sometimes with me!

Very well put.

[ouma1938]

Originally Posted by Maddie

My mother has met with TV about this and of course they can stand by the deed restriction. She swears that when they bought here they were not correctly explained this restriction but that's realestate sales people for you! All a bunch of crooks. I know it's their responsibility to read carefully but we all know how things can be "left out" in order to make a sale.
I had thought living around TV would have been so much better. But now I see an area with no jobs that is being run by a bunch of jerks. If TV is going to keep growing you need younger people to be here to do the work. I hear you all complaining that their isn't good service or any good manangers aound here. Well why would those talented young people come here? The school system is a attraction but what about everything else?

my mother survived cancer twice and no one is going to tell her how many times she can see her grandchild!

I know a lot of people out their that could be in the same boat at any time because you always have grandchildren visiting. All it takes is one miserable neighbor to ruin everything.

For all those that say...Oh that's the rules....give me a break!

I don't want to stir the pot but feel obliged to comment on the remark above, "real estate people are all a bunch of crooks". I am a real estate person and I spend a great deal of time working with and helping people find their perfect home, seeing that their needs are taken care of, and making buying or selling their home a less stressful, happier experience. I am not a crook and I am proud of what I do to help my buyers and sellers. As I said, I don't want to start a storm here, and I am generally a very benign non-controversial poster but had defend my profession and the many many honest, decent, and caring agents I know.

[Halle]

Ouma,

I agree with you. I was a Realtor in Florida, and I am neither a crook or a liar.

Why is it always someone else's fault that an individual did not understand the rules and didn't read the Covenants. Of the thousands of people that bought in TV the majority abide by and understand the Covenants. That is what makes The Villages such a wonderul place to live.

[DDoug]

I have to agree what is the big deal.What gets me is residents can have up to 8 adults and 12 young childens with guest passes at one time and even have one year passes for all those people and none of them pay any fee. I had my brother in law stop by was going to go shoot pool with him and told no ID no entry. He lives in the tricounty area and he can't get one yet the people with the year pass can live in the area.If 1000 residents had 20 passes out for the year that would be 20000 extra people using the amenities we as residents pay for.I guess one little kid for three hours really isn't all that big a deal. After all the child is not spending the night and if it is under a certain gae no ID pass is required. Just forget it and let it. I now go elswhere and play pool. Tell the people next to your mother to go (well you know)

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Maddie

That's real estate sales people for you! All a bunch of crooks.

Wow, what a sweeping generalization! And very demeaning.

I agree with Halle and Ouma. As a former realtor I am neither a liar or a crook. And I always had the best interests of my clients at heart.

[Cassie325]

Originally Posted by ejp52

Very well put.

Thanks EJP!!! All true and from the heart....I should have mentioned the real estate comment too...Maddie....we have met and you seem to be a nice guy....but I know this broke your heart...and your mom's I am sure! Sometimes when we get really mad we tend to balme others....or other circumstances...hard not too....but my best guess is...only from experience....that when someone is buying a home here in TV's....they are on cloud nine...the agent could say anything...we don't always hear it....

I know your family loves it here...breathe...think again about different ways to make this work....I know it is do-able....it's worth it in the long run....for everyone....baby, Grandma...you and your wife....

3 hours a day....very do-able....very worth it!!!

Love to your family....

[beady]

I do not see the violation here.

Let me get this straight...someone has reported your mother because she is taking care of your infant daughter in her house for 3 hours a day during the work week. How is that a violation...she isn't living there, she doesn't use the amenities?????

Someone has nothing better to think about in that neighborhood.

[SteveZ]

I have to admit that if my neighbor turned their house into the family day care center and that I was expected to "enjoy" the fact that their grandkids were now playing all the time on my property or out in front of my house, my first question would be to myself - why did I move into a 55+ community if it meant I had to dodge kids all time?

Yeah, that can sound heartless and insensitive. I have grandchildren, too. I just don't want to be their babysitter. They are their parents' responsibility - not mine nor my neighbors.

I accept the fact that I just don't have the stamina to deal with kids the way I did when I was in my 20's, 30's and 40's. If that makes me a demon to some, so be it.

As neighbors we have to tolerate each other, and that's a good thing. However, when it means that I have to tolerate someone's grandkids day-in-and-day-out until they grow up or their parents hit the lottery, that's a tough one. They may be someone's your pride and joy, but that feeling may not be universal.

Helping the kids out on the short is one thing, and neighbors can handle that. Turning the neighborhood into DayCareWorld is another. If half the people on a street did that, the resale business would be quite brisk.

Yes, there are covenants, and we all are responsible to read them and understand them before we sign the paper. That's OUR responsibility, not the broker who coordinated the sale. If folks don't understand what they're signing, they should get a lawyer, and if they don't want to spend the money for one, that too is their problem.

Yeah, it "may take a village" to some to raise kids, but I'm hoping that doesn't include the village where I reside in TV.

[The Great Fumar]

This is a retirement community......people pay high prices for homes to retire at the villages...they could have gone to 100's of other retirement villages but they chose to pay more and live here ....Now why do you suppose they did that ..........Its because of the Rules here that are made to protect peoples investment.....If I had the problem of kids everyday at the neighbors yelling and screaming playing in the street and yards , I would sue someone to stop it . I signed the rules to buy here. In return the villages had to agree that the rules would be rigorously enforced ....Many families have been forced to move from here under threat of legal action......
And don't try to push the envelope, Thirty days means thirty days , they are calendar days whether your here 24 hours or 24 minutes.....
Abide by the rules and this will remain a wonderful place , If rules are allowed to be broken then this place will be no different than any other community in Florida And the Bulk of us will have to look for somewhere else.

evil eye fumar

[beady]

Fumar and SteveZ

I agree I do not want a daycare next door or children running around the neighborhood all the time.However, I do enjoy hearing little voices when the neighbors and my grandkids visit from time to time.

But one infant inside someones home...please who is that disturbing...what amenities is it using.No doubt less annoying than the people who walk their dog on others lawns. When the child is out of infancy and more independent then the parents will have to make other arrangements.