[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Honest to God, this guy should run for office. That was a non answer if ever I heard one. Thanks for trying, Whalen.

You can't get blood out of a turnip, C. It is obvious to me that The official corporate feeling at Sumterinc. is no confrontation and it is as clear to me a policy as The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit used to be. Unwritten rules are there and the higher ups don't like to get into a fracus with the folks who live here..

I kinda like it better than the ugly confrontations from some of our residents. You could NEVER win with some of them.... Never win. I am so glad I had the good sense to be from Ohio. Ohio people are generally polite to you right up to the second before they deck you.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You can't get blood out of a turnip, C. It is obvious to me that The official corporate feeling at Sumterinc. is no confrontation and it is as clear to me a policy as The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit used to be. Unwritten rules are there and the higher ups don't like to get into a fracus with the folks who live here..

I kinda like it better than the ugly confrontations from some of our residents. You could NEVER win with some of them.... Never win. I am so glad I had the good sense to be from Ohio. Ohio people are generally polite to you right up to the second before they deck you.

Good points.

And remind me to keep my head up the next time I go to Columbus.

[Laurie2]

Originally Posted by Whalen

Please see email sent to Mr. Rohan and his response.


Dear Mr. Rohan,

As you probably know there is a storm brewing over exercise classes being held at the neighborhood pools. And I am also sure you realize we do not have a sufficient number of sport's pools to accommodate our growing population.

I think I might have a way to ease this situation a little. We currently have 18 family pools south of rte 466. These pools are underutilized during most of the year. I suggest 3 days a week each FP be opened for adults only from 7 to 11AM. on alternating days. For example, Truman adult days Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Odell Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Sundays would be open to families all day,These hours and days are only suggestions but I do think this is something to think about.

Thank you and your staff for a job well done.



Thanks for the suggestion. While there are nine sports pools, we have ample time for scheduling water exercise classes. We encounter this situation from time to time when we open up new areas in our hometown. It really is an expectation, understanding, and function of our facilities and programming that needs to occur. Once we get this alignment in place it will help folks better enjoy their lifestyle.



John Rohan

Director of Recreation

984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, FL 32162

Ph: 352.674.1800 Fax: 352.674.1805

Whalen,

Thank you for trying to start a conversation that could solve a problem.

I think you have put forth a really good idea for a way to accommodate more water aerobics classes by scheduling time to be shared in the family pools. Your idea could make optimum use of the facilities without literally or figuratively stepping on anybody's toes. The grandkids should know the sharing drill, and besides, the kids still would have plenty of pool time.

I do not understand Mr. Rohan's answer. I read it three times. It makes no sense. Should I question my own reading comprehension ability -- or his?

It seems like he might have completely missed the point you are making about the family pools and thinks you are talking about the regional sports pools.

You have made such a reasonable suggestion. It should not be ignored. It is worth looking into.

Note: I just noticed that when Whalen's post is quoted, it is difficult to read the part written by Mr. Rohan. This is a long thread. The reference point for this is Post 133.

[CFrance]

Laurie 2, you hit the nail on the head. Mr. Rohan's response was a non-response. Read Gracie's reply to my post above. They do not want to address the situation. It just bugs me that they set these rules up and then don't enforce them because they don't want to make anyone mad.

Once again the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If enough people complained loudly enough, I believe they would be forced to do something about it. JMO

[applesoffh]

To all the wonderful folks who have tried to approach Mr. Whalen about this nonsense, and to Graciegirl, who offered to help out in a more personal way, I want to thank you all. As you can see from Mr. Rohan's non-response, the powers that be have absolutely no intention of doing anything. Their inaction in this, and other matters I've seen on TOTV over the years, is the reason people like me stop getting involved in having wrongs addressed. This is still a great place to live and I wouldn't move, but the bloom is off the rose for me.

[CFrance]

I'm sorry, applesoffh. It is such a shame that the rule breakers and bullies get their way.

[handyman]

If no one else will address this problem then I say get your neighbors in large numbers to go where these infractions are occurring and tell them they are not welcome,bullies do not care for sheep with teeth!

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Laurie 2, you hit the nail on the head. Mr. Rohan's response was a non-response. Read Gracie's reply to my post above. They do not want to address the situation. It just bugs me that they set these rules up and then don't enforce them because they don't want to make anyone mad.

Once again the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If enough people complained loudly enough, I believe they would be forced to do something about it. JMO

That was the most nonsensical and appeasing non-answer I've ever seen. A hundred times more useless as the famous answer of the 90s, "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"!!

Reminds me of "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last" --W. Churchill

[OBXNana]

I'm not certain everyone one in The Villages is aware of the fact groups can't get together to do water aerobics. The Village Transportation dropped us off at Sumter Landing on Sunday and a taxi was waiting to take us to our villa. The driver was great, friendly, personable, and we picked his brain for any information we could get from a Villager. We're newbies and love to ask questions. He was telling us he was thinking about joining his neighbors in the neighborhood pool to do aerobics 3 mornings a week.

My husband looked at me, I got the look, and knew to keep my mouth shut. Is anything posted at the pools that this activity is not permitted? We've only been to the family pool and it may be posted at the neighborhood pools, but don't remember seeing the information at the family pool that aerobics are not permitted.

[applesoffh]

Originally Posted by OBXNana

I'm not certain everyone one in The Villages is aware of the fact groups can't get together to do water aerobics. The Village Transportation dropped us off at Sumter Landing on Sunday and a taxi was waiting to take us to our villa. The driver was great, friendly, personable, and we picked his brain for any information we could get from a Villager. We're newbies and love to ask questions. He was telling us he was thinking about joining his neighbors in the neighborhood pool to do aerobics 3 mornings a week.

My husband looked at me, I got the look, and knew to keep my mouth shut. Is anything posted at the pools that this activity is not permitted? We've only been to the family pool and it may be posted at the neighborhood pools, but don't remember seeing the information at the family pool that aerobics are not permitted.

What a good point! I will email Mr. Rohan and see what kind of a response I get, and will be sure to post it, also.

Thank you, and welcome to The Villages!

[VT2TV]

Maybe 1 solution is to get together a big group of friends, and have everyone meet at the pools where the aerobics are going on about 15 mins before the "violators" arrive, and be in the pool just floating or talking. If any of the violators say anything about doing their aerobics, show them the Rec ccenter newspaper that you conveniently have brought that says exercising must be done at the sports pool. Be very sweet!!!!! If they get in the pool, just stay in the pool, spread out and ignore them. You have to have a lot of room to do water aerobics. Also have a friend on deck with a camera to take pictures, expecially if you are afraid of confrontation. No one will probably make a scene if they are on camera. If things even start to get a little heated , stay in the pool, just swimming around, and have someone call Community Watch--not that they would do anything, but would be a good witness. Obviously, if things actually got ugly, nothing is worth getting hurt over. If everyone is ok, do the same thing for a while until they get the message.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

Maybe 1 solution is to get together a big group of friends, and have everyone meet at the pools where the aerobics are going on about 15 mins before the "violators" arrive, and be in the pool just floating or talking. If any of the violators say anything about doing their aerobics, show them the Rec ccenter newspaper that you conveniently have brought that says exercising must be done at the sports pool. Be very sweet!!!!! If they get in the pool, just stay in the pool, spread out and ignore them. You have to have a lot of room to do water aerobics. Also have a friend on deck with a camera to take pictures, expecially if you are afraid of confrontation. No one will probably make a scene if they are on camera. If things even start to get a little heated , stay in the pool, just swimming around, and have someone call Community Watch--not that they would do anything, but would be a good witness. Obviously, if things actually got ugly, nothing is worth getting hurt over. If everyone is ok, do the same thing for a while until they get the message.

That seems like a lot of work and emotional turmoil to "teach the water aerobic folks a lesson".
If I find a pool is busier than I like, I just find another nearby adult pool where I can relax.
We have so many pool choices in Lala Land.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

That seems like a lot of work and emotional turmoil to "teach the water aerobic folks a lesson".
If I find a pool is busier than I like, I just find another nearby adult pool where I can relax.
We have so many pool choices in Lala Land.

That is what I would do. BUT...

I MIGHT think about leaving a sign on my chair that said..

I left because all of you are pool hogs.

[rubicon]

This is my first post here and it seems that those in authority seem to take the same approach with all amenities primarily one of self-policing which in my view is pitting residents against each other.

The ambassadors on the executive courses do little to keep play moving

the monitors at pools seem to do little to solve problems there.

some say common sense should prevail but what if common sense tells me that since there is a waiting list for aerobics at sports pools starting an aerobics class at other pools solves my problem.

And of course we can find other examples at the RecCenters

common sense however tells others that these are social pools to be enjoyed by everyone and now we have people who are hogging the pool...........

The amenities issue is only going to get worse as build out proceeds.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=rubicon;954253]This is my first post here and it seems that those in authority seem to take the same approach with all amenities primarily one of self-policing which in my view is pitting residents against each other.

The ambassadors on the executive courses do little to keep play moving

the monitors at pools seem to do little to solve problems there.

some say common sense should prevail but what if common sense tells me that since there is a waiting list for aerobics at sports pools starting an aerobics class at other pools solves my problem.

And of course we can find other examples at the RecCenters

common sense however tells others that these are social pools to be enjoyed by everyone and now we have people who are hogging the pool...........

The amenities issue is only going to get worse as build out proceeds.[/QUOTE]

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It may not get better but the build out will bring the same amount of NEW pools and rec centers to the new population so it shouldn't be worse..

I have a problem with people here unlike ANY I have met in my life who think they can save chairs and hog the pools. Who or what made them so arrogant and selfish?