[Lisanp@aol.com]

I am presently working with a plumber to do this exact thing on my northern home as required by my insurance company. They require it to be either the Moen Flo or Flow Logic system. Both detect leak, shut off water and notify via app. They both require electric near the water main. In FL I just shut off the water main when we leave.

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Sorry. You're right. I'm usually not a fan of truncated verbiage (lazy English), however after a career where speaking in codes and numbers has become a second language, I assumed common forum abbreviations were, well, common. STFF stands for Searched The F@(&^g Forum. Essentially quickly telling responders that I already performed a search and read the applicable results so they do not feel I'm wasting their time with the umpteenth thread on a topic, thereby encouraging useful insight and thoughtful, high-quality results.

Which I certainly received here, thank you all very much.

I'm going to do some web research on the Moen Flo (does EVERY sensor need to plug into an outlet - I don't have those under my sinks generally), the YoLink products, and I would really like some details from @rsmurano about his (her?) HomeKit wired house .What products he (she?) used where and what s/he estimates the total all-in cost was to put it together. Very interesting options.

As for why I don't just shut it off when I leave, along with the hot water heater, the issue for me is that HomeWatch has to turn it all back on to flush toilets, etc. Every time they turn the valve and pressurize the system (and don't drain it) puts wear/tear and pressure on the components which, in my experience, are quick to fail. The more I've used a toilet's water supply line valve to do some work on it, the more likely that valve failed down the road. Of course YMMV. Sorry, RailRoadGuyNewJersey who doesn't like abbreviations - like the one in his user name, YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary. Essentially, you may not have the same experience(s) I had or have. Just playing with you, not trying to be insulting. Just a little gentle elbow to the ribs. :-D

I have the YoLink sensors deployed in my Villages home and up North. They are battery powered and require no power outlet for the sensors. The hub requires a power outlet and connection to your WIFI router, in my case direct ethernet connection.

[nealhittepole@gmail.com]

I have the Moen Flo at my CV in the villages and also in a condo in Ohio. Have used leak sensors with a smart home (SmartThings) system with a Z wave shutoff but changed to the Moen so it will monitor toilets etc.

[jrref]

If you have any water detection system that doesn't have an automatic shutoff, I guess it's betterh than nothing but you always want a system with an automatic shutoff.

Why? Because if a water supply hose for the toiles, washer, dishwasher, etc., bursts, it's all over in a matter of minutes. You have a flood with major damage and cost to repair. Even a small leak can cause damage. Generally, when you install a new hose you might experience a small leak but most of the time, the hose will burst when they get old.

There is also a system by Homeseer but you need to be a little technical to use it.

[retiredguy123]

I agree that you need a water shut off system. But, if you're cheap, like me, you can buy about 7 or 8 battery operated water alarms and place them under toilets and sinks, and other water valves, all for about 20 dollars from Amazon. For me, they have detected 2 leaks in my house that have prevented major water damage. One was a leak in the garbage disposal and the other was a leak in the water heater expansion tank. A great investment for inexpensive peace of mind.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I agree that you need a water shut off system. But, if you're cheap, like me, you can buy about 7 or 8 battery operated water alarms and place them under toilets and sinks, and other water valves, all for about 20 dollars from Amazon. For me, they have detected 2 leaks in my house that have prevented major water damage. One was a leak in the garbage disposal and the other was a leak in the water heater expansion tank. A great investment for inexpensive peace of mind.

That's half the battle right there. The exacerbating issues are not being there (snowbird) when the alarms go off, and getting the water turned off, again while not being there.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Are these the systems being referenced and applauded?

Flume Water | Smart Home Water Monitor | Water Leak Detector
Meet Flo Smart Water Shut Off | Smart Water Monitor | Moen

[JoelJohnson]

Originally Posted by jeffmull

Yolink has a system that looks great for this. I use several of their remote products including thermostat, leak detection, temp,and motion sensors. A unique thing about their tech is they use a low frequency comm system that doesn't rely on Bluetooth or wifi so distance is much further and battery life is many months or even years.

I don't use the auto water shutoff valve, but I know they have them. I get notified here in FL if one of the sensors goes off. It's been a solid system for a couple of years now.

I've been using YoLink (YOSMART.COM) for a couple of years now. I started with the connected hub and added the voice hub later. I have sensors everywhere where a water leak can occur. Recently added the water shut off value (I had a plumber install it, although I could have installed it myself). The batteries are AA, good for about 2+ years and easy to replace. I also have the garage door sensor and control (to open or close the door). The hub announces when it opens or closes and even warns me it is open after a time I set up. It uses its own "WiFi" system (which is good for about a quarter mile).
Set up is very easy (QR code), and even "programming" is no big deal (but they respond quickly with any questions you have). Since it is connected to my in-house router, I can see what's happening any time and open/close the garage door anywhere . I also have door sensors to let me know when a door opens (or closes).

If you get the system I can help you install it. (No fee as I do this kind of stuff for anyone in The Villages (JoelJohnson530@gmail.com).

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

I've been using YoLink (YOSMART.COM) for a couple of years now. I started with the connected hub and added the voice hub later. I have sensors everywhere where a water leak can occur. Recently added the water shut off value (I had a plumber install it, although I could have installed it myself). The batteries are AA, good for about 2+ years and easy to replace. I also have the garage door sensor and control (to open or close the door). The hub announces when it opens or closes and even warns me it is open after a time I set up. It uses its own "WiFi" system (which is good for about a quarter mile).
Set up is very easy (QR code), and even "programming" is no big deal (but they respond quickly with any questions you have). Since it is connected to my in-house router, I can see what's happening any time and open/close the garage door anywhere . I also have door sensors to let me know when a door opens (or closes).

If you get the system I can help you install it. (No fee as I do this kind of stuff for anyone in The Villages (JoelJohnson530@gmail.com).

Do you need the YOLINK hub (an add on) or can the device tap into your home wifi router or SimpliSafe?

[jrref]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Do you need the YOLINK hub (an add on) or can the device tap into your home wifi router or SimpliSafe?

You need the Yolink hub.

[retiredguy123]

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[retiredguy123]

I have never tried to install an automatic shutoff system, but it seems to me that there may not be enough space in the garage valve box to accommodate these devices. My water supply box is only about 9 inches wide and almost all of the space is used by the pipe elbows and the main shutoff valve. Even if you cut into the drywall, there is still not enough space because the pipes are under the concrete slab. I wouldn't want to install the device outside. My guess is that most people don't not go to the trouble and expense to install a shutoff device. That is why I suggest buying the inexpensive battery operated water alarms from Amazon. I agree that these will not prevent damage if you have a major pipe leak, but your homeowner's insurance will cover the damage. Snowbirds should close the main water valve when they leave town.

Perhaps someone can post a photo of a completed installation of a shutoff device and the cost (in dollars) to install it.

[JoelJohnson]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

That's half the battle right there. The exacerbating issues are not being there (snowbird) when the alarms go off, and getting the water turned off, again while not being there.

That's why I have a Yolink water shutoff. I will shut the water off to the house if ANY leak is detected. I also get an email telling me. I can call someone to go into the house to see what is happening and fix it. Then I can turn the water back on (any where there is internet access).

[JoelJohnson]

Originally Posted by jrref

You need the Yolink hub.

But you can connect to other smart home services. (Like Alexa)

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

But you can connect to other smart home services. (Like Alexa)

To connect with other smart home services a YoLink hub is required. The sensor "pucks" will only communicate with the hub.