[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

I see the New York hate here and think to myself, they are just jealous because we grew up in the greatest city in the world. I'm just here for the weather.

Yeah, no...

While I do enjoy the occasional trip to NYC, after 3 days, I can't wait to leave...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by GATORBILL66

Florida is getting too crowded. Let them yankees go somewhere else!

Woo Hoo! I get a pass! MD is south of the Mason-Dixon Line!

[haysus7]

If there was no air conditioning in Florida, no one would live in Florida

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by rogerrice60

Unfortunately a lot of them bring their politics with them; that will become a major problem for our state in the future.

I don't see that happening.

People who move here because their city/state has become a bleephole, have more brains, once here, than to vote for the same kind of people/policies that turned their former city/state into a bleephole in the first place.

[jleonard]

I hope you realize the politicians are responsible for the ruination of New York! Please enjoy you new life here in Florida and let your failure politics back north!

[mjdollard]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

You called the poster dumb? Then you made a comparison using the statistics for the entire state of Florida to the statistics for ONE NY county? OK

[chrissy2231]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

They have to make room for new arrivals.

Probably not, but just a guess from my old Scrabble days.

[shirleyjerez]

When they made a big thing about “ sex in the square “ how many people in a city 150,000,00 people has many more things happening. We have very few things like that happening . So before you make fun of us, look at any cities our size and see what is going on there. I just wish people from NY City would learn to drive. In the city the take cabs, subways, or walk. Once they get here it’s yeah I can buy a car.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by lmrk32

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

Is it bashing NY or angry frustration as to what happened to this once beautiful state and magnificent city. I’ve always had New York City on my bucket list but gave that up about 10 years ago. For those of you ignoring what has happened to that state and city, I suggest you arm yourself and put boots on when touring there. Actually, this city and several others meet that requirement.

[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Well, then compare the crime rates and the people per square mile between NYC and the Philippines. NYC metro area is a poorly run, overtaxed cesspool. It's obvious these poorly run cities accross the US are losing people rapidly for many reasons.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

But hopefully they do not destroy the wonderful “attitude” of Florida. Come on down but leave your Northern cynicism, etc. there. Florida ain’t broke so don’t try to fix it to suit a northern lifestyle you are leaving

we moved here because of the values & policies of Florida. we in no way want it to reflect or be like where we came from

[skyking]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Oh! So it's the population density not the people and the leadership? Wow!

[Remembergoldenrule]

All people moving here to escape bad policy, you left for a variety of reasons. When it is time to vote, remember all those reasons and who was in charge to make the policy. It won’t be any different here if you vote for the same policy makers and then where are you going to move to?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by lmrk32

While this may be a little off-topic The sentiment against New Yorkers has been stated often enough in this thread that I feel the need to comment. Please do not bash us. Take us as individuals the same way you would want us to take you. Both good and bad, there is no other place like New York. And that goes for the people too. If you want a straight answer you will get it from a New Yorker. We will not blow smoke, be politically correct Or use phony southern gentility, telling you what we think you want to hear. By imposing yourStereotypical beliefs upon us, you make us angry. You insult us and wonder why we lash out once we have had enough. If you would keep your snarky comments to yourself and get to know us first, you might get along better with us as with any other group of people. Your views are prejudicial which is no longer tolerated in society. When all is said and done, no matter where I live I will always be a New YorkerAnd I am very very proud of that. So if you wanna make some snarky comments about my post go right ahead because another beauty of being a New Yorker as we simply do not care what you think

In all honesty I've not seen this "bashing" of New Yorkers, with one rather glaring exception. We've encountered many, mainly golfing, and they've never been anything honest and down-to-earth, nothing like the stereotypes you read about. Almost to a person they're great to be around: not shy about expressing their opinions (then again, neither am I) but they're no better or worse than any other folks we've encountered. Nor have we been a witness to other people bashing them--again, with one exception.

That exception--is other New Yorkers! Where people come from is usually a topic for small talk in golf foursomes. People from New York identify that in one of two ways, either New York, or UPSTATE New York. And the "Upstate" folks are at times not shy about distancing themselves from and then casting aspersions upon their NYC brethren. It is not a common occurrence but it does happen.

I don't much care where people are from. People are people, and if you treat them courteously you'll get the same in return.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by gatorbill1

Taxes and weather definitely better in Florida, don't know anything else better here. I have been here over 40 years, so I am probably not best judge of this. When I moved to Florida, cost of living was a lot better here than in NY, but not so much now.

I was trying to think about some other things that are better in Fl. You can golf and play tennis and pickleball outside the year round, if you can take the summer humidity. This is a stretch, but if you are an offshore sport fisherman with a decent size boat you can get to the Gulf Stream offshore in about 3 miles from Miami and I guess about 30 or 40 miles offshore from Daytona. The Gulf Stream has trophy fish like Marlin Etc. From New York to the Gulf stream would be MUCH further.
.....Also you can watch and bet on Jae Lai (spelled wrong) in Miami. You can see armadillos in Fl. and NOT N.Y.