[Chi-Town]

May people from the five boroughs live in my neighborhood. Glad they do; they make for good friends.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

I think 99% of us are just here for the weather........ I will never give up my summer home in Minnesota.

Judging from the screen name...near Tower?

My wife and I planned on spending summers back in MinneSOATa as well. But wonder of wonders...I discovered I don't mind the summer weather here in TV at all! Like winter up there. The first couple of weeks of snow and cold are--well--challenging. But after that, you just live with it. You learn right quick that the only difference between -20 and -40 is that the mustache frosts up a bit quicker when it is -40.

Plus, I have arthritis in Minnesota. But not here, and especially not in the hot weather.

[Deden]

Do you watch the New's here!

[loufromnewjersey]

No no we are full. Slow sown.
What are we are going to do when TV reaches Disney?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Whitley

From 1971 to 1987 he was the Mayor of Baltimore. After that he ran and won the Governorship. I came out of grad school during this time. Friends were buying and renovating the old rowhouses with the white marble steps. Today the entire area is in very bad shape.

Yeah... He was a great Governor... FOR BALTIMORE... It's like he was still mayor, but with a much larger budget...

But the rest of the state? Nothing but an ATM...

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by loufromnewjersey

No no we are full. Slow sown.
What are we are going to do when TV reaches Disney?

Then adult Disney will take over. Instead of 48" height minimum, it'll say 55 age minimum :-)

[sdifede313@aol.com]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Ok sounds like your a retired actuary. Yeah, it’s not just about crime that send people to FLA from NY, but in FLA the way law enforcement approaches “perps” with free reign helps thwart potential criminal activity. Up in “Blueville” the elected miscreants would first prosecute law enforcement and free the scum to commit more crime. So, it’s a big reason to escape from NYC and retire to peace and quite, either in FLA or elsewhere.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Wow what a dumb comparison. You're comparing problems with a very small city (geographically), in a small state (geographically) to the entirety of a somewhat large state (geographically).

NYC has approximately 9 million people in it, over around 306 square miles. The last count was approximately 29,000 people per square mile.

The State of Florida has approximately 22 million people in it, over around 66,000 square miles. Florida has only around 406 people per square mile as of last count.

Of course crime will be higher in one of the most densely-populated cities in the country, than in the entirety of a large state that is primarily rural, other than the coasts and very small sections of inland.

Manhattan is only 22 square miles, and has almost 2 million people in it, and at last count was approximately 74,000 people per square mile.

The Villages is around 6 square miles, has only 150,000 people in it, around 2800 people per square mile.

Why anyone would even think to compare the two is pretty insane. Taking such comparisons seriously is even more insane.

People are leaving the State of New York for a multitude of reasons.
1. High taxes, especially within NYC, which has borough taxes, county taxes, and state taxes, plus high sales tax and usage taxes.
2. Anyone renting within "the city" with multiple wage-earners - and losing one person's wage, likely has to move out due to no longer being able to afford the rent. But in the city, there is rent control - which means they are paying much less than whoever moves in to their old place - and what they can now afford, doesn't exist for new tenants anywhere in the city.
3. Winters - this isn't a new thing, people have moved south due to northern winters - ever since there've been people born and raised in the north.
4. Politics - this is actually not common. There are places in New York that have a very strong 'red' representation, so if that was the big reason, they could've just moved to a red pocket. Or a neighboring state, such as Ohio, which is controlled primarily by Republicans on every level of state government.
5. The expectation of career opportunities - many people come down here thinking they'll get a better job with more money. This isn't true, but it's a reason why they come.
6. Retirement - another "not a new thing." People have been flocking to Florida to retire from New York since the 1950's. The difference between the 1950's and now is - there are more people. More people = more people retiring = more people moving.

Good, common sense post. Thank you.

[mickey100]

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

If crime is not a reason to leave somewhere and move to T V then please, transplanted Villagers, feel free to unlock your doors at night and stop the hypocrisy.

There was very little crime in my suburban part of Connecticut. When I was growing up, most of the neighbors knew where we kept the key to the back door of my house, and all the kids in the neighborhood knew if they got home from school before their parents got home from work and they couldn't find the key to their own house, they could hang out at mine. And vice versa.

We locked our doors at night. I mean - doors have locks, so you can lock them. That's kinda why locks exist. And why keys exist - so they can be unlocked. We had no break-ins, there were no strangers walking around, it wasn't a gated community, or isolated in some rural part of the state. It was just the 'burbs outside New Haven.

Anyone affected by crime up north, could've just moved to an area NOT affected by crime up north. There's also plenty of crime in Florida. Pockets of the state have really bad areas. You just have to read something other than the Daily Sun and listen to something other than VLG to find out about it.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I'm a New Yorker and proud of it. We are not from the city, we lived in a rural area further north. I see so many misconceptions on this thread I feel compelled to correct. First of all, crime statistics. Not everyone lives in New York City. Many people live in smaller cities in NY or rural areas. But the crime in NYC reached a pinnacle in the 80's and early 90's as a result of the crack epidemic. Crime since then has varied up and down each year, but has overall been on a steady decline. If you compare the NYC statistics with those of Orlando, Orlando has almost twice the level of violent crime and property crime. But being a big city, of course there is going to be more crime, than in a retirement community. Why do people retire to Florida? For one thing, there are tax advantages, depending on what state you come from. People from cold areas such as the northeast, have historically retired to warm places like Florida or Arizona. Some posters here think that politics plays a role. Those same people just love to inject politics into every conversation or lifestyle choice. News flash - In all our years of living in NY, we never knew if our friends were Democrats or Republicans. It was something that was not discussed. Politics were generally private, done in the privacy of the voting booth. That is one thing that just floored us moving to The Villages, and I see it on this thread, the hate and vitriol from people who say things like "don't vote here like you did up north", or "leave the Villages and take your politics with you". There are many things we like about the Villages, but if we do move, that would be the reason why - to get away from small minded, hateful people.

You sincerely believe all the population flight out of New York is for warmer climate? I suggest new glasses because you are missing much and votes are the majority of the problem.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Agreed. I'm from Connecticut, spent a lot of time in NYC, had life-long friends in Rockville Center, best friend post-college lived in Warwick. I know what my friends thought about specific issues, but politics - who was running for what, who we were voting for - never came up in conversation. None of us had bumper stickers on our cars or flags of our preferred candidates on our flagpoles or signs in our windows or even on our lawns. Some folks did, but that was just a "Vote For [insert name here] for Mayor" and there was NEVER a sign disparaging the candidate they weren't voting for. Ever. Such insanity was completely unheard of. You SUPPORTED your person. You never insulted the other guy.

If you have to insult the other guy, in order for your person to win, then YOU - personally - lost. You lost your integrity, your humanity, and the only thing you had left was your very myopic community of haters. And so - we just didn't ever do that. And we grew up believing this.

So when I moved to the Villages I never checked to see what party people belonged to, when I was looking for a home. The thought never occurred to me to check. I grew up in an incredibly diverse part of the country. We had our tensions, and there were small pockets of areas that one demographic would not feel safe living in. Even then - it had nothing to do with politics. Racial problems, LGBTQ+ issues, womens' reproductive health - none of these had anything to do with politics, in my neck of the woods. Politics wasn't the driving force of them or the reason there was any division. When people fought, no one was asked to answer the question "what political party are you" before they clobbered each other in an alley. No one gave a crap.

Now, politics seems to be the driving force of every single subject. If someone cares about their autistic child getting a decent education, it's a political thing. If someone is upset that they were mugged on a city street, it's the elected official's fault. If someone has a problem with the idea that a person with a ***** is wearing lipstick and a push-up bra, it's political.

It's all rather ridiculous and trust me - as someone from the Greater New York area - if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many northerners coming here at all.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There was very little crime in my suburban part of Connecticut. When I was growing up, most of the neighbors knew where we kept the key to the back door of my house, and all the kids in the neighborhood knew if they got home from school before their parents got home from work and they couldn't find the key to their own house, they could hang out at mine. And vice versa.

We locked our doors at night. I mean - doors have locks, so you can lock them. That's kinda why locks exist. And why keys exist - so they can be unlocked. We had no break-ins, there were no strangers walking around, it wasn't a gated community, or isolated in some rural part of the state. It was just the 'burbs outside New Haven.

Anyone affected by crime up north, could've just moved to an area NOT affected by crime up north. There's also plenty of crime in Florida. Pockets of the state have really bad areas. You just have to read something other than the Daily Sun and listen to something other than VLG to find out about it.

Florida does not have the crimes and bail laws New York has and a comparison of the two isn’t even close.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Aces4

You sincerely believe all the population flight out of New York is for warmer climate? I suggest new glasses because you are missing much and votes are the majority of the problem.

Again, myopic view of the world relative to political extremism. Most of us don't view everything through the prism of politics. And as others have said, if politics were the reason people moved to Florida, there wouldn't be many Northerners coming here at all.