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Old 01-29-2023, 11:06 AM
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Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
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I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.
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Oil and gas profits last qtr of 2022 were the highest ever, ever in History. Currently, there is NO restriction on permits for drilling. Oil was ALLOWED to be taken out of the Federal Oil Reserve for the purposes of bringing DOWN gas prices at the pump - for the benefit of the WORKING middle class and lower class. (and seniors on a fixed income) The OIL and Gas industry CHOSE to NOT drill and WHY would they because they are enjoying RECORD PROFITS?
......Why IS this important? Because EVERY product or fresh produce that a Senior on a fixed income MUST buy at one of our local Walmart stores or BJ stores has a markup due to HIGH fuel costs to operate the delivery vehicles.
........a good site to check out is - www.themoneybalance.com
They chose not to drill because while they had permits to drill, they DID NOT have permits to build pipelines to move the oil...

Add to that, what business will spend $$$MILLIONS of dollars, investing in new wells, when the current administration Has PUBLICLY STATED THAT THEY WANT TO SHUT THEM DOWN?
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Something wrong with this statement. 80% success is not dismal in my opinion.
Sorry, I misspoke. I did an error, please forgive me. The FED is unsuccessful 80% of the time. Thanks.
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Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
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I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.
I believe that the expression is to live, "high on the HOG". It has something to do with the cuts of meat on a hog above the stomach being better cuts and therefore, cost more. Thank me VERY much !
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Old 01-29-2023, 04:24 PM
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I believe that the expression is to live, "high on the HOG". It has something to do with the cuts of meat on a hog above the stomach being better cuts and therefore, cost more. Thank me VERY much !
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Which is why there's so much turnover at low-paying jobs. No one is willing to stick around in them. Employers refuse to pay more for what amounts to "temporary help" and the help won't stay without better pay.

If you are at Publix you have to be willing to change locations to anywhere within the district. So that $50k/year doesn't really make up for the fact that you have to drive an hour each way, you get no breaks, and if the next shift's boss can't make it, you're stuck there pulling a double - even if it's your kid's birthday and you promised to be home to make supper. Basically your $50/year job has to be your life. You don't get to say no.

The only thing you learn about business and economics working at a diner is that some people overtip, and some people don't tip at all, and some people walk out without paying, you get pinched, abused, called "hey you," yelled at because your customer's steak was a shade too pink on the inside, threatened, pushed and kicked by little kids, tripped by "comfort animals," and if you don't smile and bend over and take it however the boss and your customers feel like dishing it out, you can business and economy yourself into a different job…
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I get it now, the newest generation, heaven forbid, should not have to pay the dues our generations paid. We would have liked fine compensation for our hard and often dirty labor so we could have lived high on the horse for our service jobs.

We lived with small compensation and much less in our lives and sometimes the money was gone before the food ran out. But we worked so hard, did without and slowly pulled ourselves up with ambition and focus and pride.

Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.
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Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.
That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.

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Once upon a time, minimum wage at a full time job could actually get basic expenses covered in most parts of the country. Food, shelter, transportation to your job. That's what it was designed to do, that was its function. That is no longer true. Minimum wage didn't keep up with inflation. Inflation isn't caused by an increase in minimum wage. Were that the case, the *federal* minimum wage would be well over $12/hour. Instead, it's still $7.25/hour. There are still some states that only require $7.25/hour minimum wage, and many jobs that still only pay $7.25/hour minimum wage.

That is not the cause of inflation. It is a symptom of inflation.
In the US Historically minimum wages and, in general, workers' wages have been able to be held LOW compared to Europe by historically creating schisms between the 2 major groups of workers (Blacks and Caucasians) for the purpose of discouraging Unionization and thus keeping wages lower than otherwise.......pretty cleaver of the cabal of large employers.
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What are you babbling about?
Sounds like my wife. Is that you there honey?
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That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.
Interesting...........solid middle-class, patriotic value system. I am guessing born in the USA..........in the Midwest. Just a guess. I lived in Nebraska for a while, and attended a College in Kansas in the early 60s.......surprisingly good parties there.
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In the US Historically minimum wages and, in general, workers' wages have been able to be held LOW compared to Europe by historically creating schisms between the 2 major groups of workers (Blacks and Caucasians) for the purpose of discouraging Unionization and thus keeping wages lower than otherwise.......pretty cleaver of the cabal of large employers.
If you are trying to cause division between the races, you push your agenda. Why don’t you just live and stop noting skin color?

Treat people without judging them, whatever their color. We are more interested in “the content of their character” as suggested by a famous individual.
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Interesting...........solid middle-class, patriotic value system. I am guessing born in the USA..........in the Midwest. Just a guess. I lived in Nebraska for a while, and attended a College in Kansas in the early 60s.......surprisingly good parties there.
Lol, patriotic value system? How about… integrity, character, individualism and work ethic. You’re right though, we were raised by hard working parents with the same ethics and the public t*t was for those who physically, mentally had actual disabilities.
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You’re right though, we were raised by hard working parents with the same ethics and the public t*t was for those who physically, mentally had actual disabilities.
My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .
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My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .

This discussion with one of our sons had him advising us of, (I believe this is the correct acronym), the future of UBI otherwise known as universal basic income. Interesting and depressing future that is probably on the horizon down the road.
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If you are trying to cause division between the races, you push your agenda. Why don’t you just live and stop noting skin color?

Treat people without judging them, whatever their color. We are more interested in “the content of their character” as suggested by a famous individual.
Well, I would say that someone interpreted what I said to suit themselves. I am the most pro-integration person on this planet.
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