[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

My family as well, but can that continue as capitalism replaces labor with automation? and not at the lowest level, but continues in middle management as well?

have seen it and participated in it in over 30 years of working in and with technology. .

I do not see a big problem there. The work week MAY decrease to 20 hours / week. It has decreased Historically for many years. It may be replaced with lots of free time for self-improvement. Like retired people do line dancing classes, hula hoop classes, yoga classes, and get away from your spouse classes, and everyone's favorite........wait for it...........Cat Juggling !!!!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, I would say that someone interpreted what I said to suit themselves. I am the most pro-integration person on this planet.

Hardly, judging by your previous statements.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I do not see a big problem there. The work week MAY decrease to 20 hours / week. It has decreased Historically for many years. It may be replaced with lots of free time for self-improvement. Like retired people do line dancing classes, hula hoop classes, yoga classes, and get away from your spouse classes, and everyone's favorite........wait for it...........Cat Juggling !!!!

Then you have blinders. Idleness is the devils workshop and you’ll see crime like never before.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

That’s not true, we just allowed fewer things in our life. We didn’t have cellphones, computers, cable TV, bought used baby furniture and supplies, bought any necessities on sale if possible, didn’t take our children on vacation until they were preteens and that was for 2 nights.

There was one car only, we never did pot or put drugs up our noses. We did the physical labor for our home repairs, upkeep and remodeling. College education was out of reach so we utilized libraries and common sense to teach ourselves. AND we had respect for our bosses, elders without groveling and were a two parent family.

It wasn’t and hasn’t been a cakewalk but totally satisfying knowing we were responsible for our achievements and goals.

Yes people in the 1950's smoked pot and did drugs. But they didn't pay for disposable diapers. The mortality rate was higher, people died younger. Most cancers weren't yet diagnosable, so people died from cancer with no treatment. By the 1960's a large percentage of women were working, until the 1970's when most women in a 2-parent household were working. During that decade, the cost of living went up such that the man as breadwinner ceased to be a thing, because most mens' incomes were no longer sufficient to provide for their family without their wife working as well.

I mean this is over 50 years ago. Living in the past is kind of silly, especially when you ignore that the rest of the world has progressed, whether you like it or not. You can keep up, or you can bow out. But life will go on, with or without your input. And it will demand what it demands, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

[Sabella]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then why are they taking credit for the recent (albeit temporary) drop in prices?

If you think oil companies are the only factor that causes high gas prices you better think again.

[Jerseygirl08]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Oil prices went up well before Russia invaded Ukraine...

Inflation was caused by massive spending, and not controlled by rate raises...

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes people in the 1950's smoked pot and did drugs. But they didn't pay for disposable diapers. The mortality rate was lower, people died younger. Most cancers weren't yet diagnosable, so people died from cancer with no treatment. By the 1960's a large percentage of women were working, until the 1970's when most women in a 2-parent household were working. During that decade, the cost of living went up such that the man as breadwinner ceased to be a thing, because most mens' incomes were no longer sufficient to provide for their family without their wife working as well.

I mean this is over 50 years ago. Living in the past is kind of silly, especially when you ignore that the rest of the world has progressed, whether you like it or not. You can keep up, or you can bow out. But life will go on, with or without your input. And it will demand what it demands, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

What’s even sillier is to think people aren’t capable of working hard, thinking and acting responsibly, creating two parent families and saving. Isn’t it silly to think that the world has progressed so everyone must be paid a “living wage” for menial labor?

These poor people which you expound are so beaten down had better not be wearing phony nails, hair extensions, designer shoes and clothing, tattoos, piercings and so forth. If paper diapers are so expensive, buy cloth like we did.

Please don’t tell me that the people now don’t need to earn their keep or work hard. It’s insulting. Btw, I know many, many people from our parent’s generation and ours who are living lengthy lives even though they didn’t have things handed to them.

[Keefelane66]

“And then came covid and more massive spending.” Covid was already here not just starting maybe you meant inoculations

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Sabella

If you think oil companies are the only factor that causes high gas prices you better think again.

I never suggested that...

[Maker]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There were land leases that hadn't been drilled in yet - producing no oil at all. Other drilled land was carrying oil for export, not domestic use. Prices of oil went up because the oil companies chose to raise them. The president of the united states doesn't dictate the price of crude oil or refined oil, and the us government doesn't subsidize crude or refined oil prices. The former president wasn't responsible for lowering the prices, and the current president isn't responsible for raising them. He is ALSO not responsible for them having gone back down to pre-2020 prices in the last month, either.

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Maker

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

Yeah, but think of how much better they are doing with fighting "global warming"

I'll gladly pay you in 20,000 years for a hamburger today

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Maker

Somebody needs to learn basic economics. When supply goes down, prices go up. It really is that simple. Previous president was instrumental with increasing supply (prices go down). Current president lowered supply so much that USA forced to buy a lot more crude at prevailing arab market prices (which they eventually also raised). Lowered supply and prices doubled.
Economics 101 is not politics based. But actions by politicians have consequences.

For over two years, Covid lowered demand world wide, and production dropped accordingly.
Later demand was greater than production and supply.
It is a world market, not solely a US market.
I did not see any US based petroleum companies making any effort to lower prices for home market, just increasing production to enlarge their profits.
Nothing to do with presidents, politicians of whatever color, market and demand sets the price.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Then you have blinders. Idleness is the devils workshop and you’ll see crime like never before.

"The devil's workshop" Huh. That explains a lot of things.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl08

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.

Pretty good post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl08

Correct. People are forgetting that piece, especially since Pres. Biden told everyone the price of oil went up BECAUSE RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. No, the price of oil went up months before the Ukraine was invaded. And then came massive spending. And then came covid and more massive spending. And then came the invasion across our border and more massive spending. IE: Hope nobody believes all the immigrants came over here with enough money to support themselves; food, shelter, medical bills, transportation, cell phones, clothing, etc. Once they arrived, the gifts they received enroute - did not keep-on-giving!! IMHO.

Agreed about immigrants, especially the ILLEGAL variety. And once again I do NOT care if they come from Switzerland or anywhere particularly - it is al same / same. The US long ago STOPPED having a frontier, so that's when unbridled immigration SHOULD HAVE stopped.