[Bucco]

Originally Posted by VApeople

We don't care. We are too busy just trying to enjoy each day.

And I hope you enjoy them to the fullest.

Unfortunately, you are quoting me and criticizing me out of context....very exasperating, but I suspect it was already known and had other reasons.

A poster way back said that the United States is the model for the rest of the world, and I simply agreed with another poster who challenged that thinking. Of course, they were left "unattached"

We are not a model of any kind to the rest of the world, and always am reminded of the quote from the writer in Ireland way back in April when he said......"But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity."

Of course we have even become more of a laugh to the world since then, but the subject of the thread is the virus. I just could not leave an "egg" like that to simply lay there. Please if you quote me, do it in context.

Thank you

[rde3036]

90% of the masks people are wearing are worthless pieces of cloth they do not protect you or the people around you. These are not high quality medical masks.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Sorry, but I will NOT condone a mask mandate. I will entertain suggestions related to the safety of wearing a mask and maybe even go along with the mass hysteria and wear my mask like a good lil citizen. But, I will not agree with a Federal mandate to wear a mask and will not wear one if such a thing happens. Sorry, but I am not a needy lemming that will be lead around by the gov nanny. A CDC suggestion does not warrant a law.
How many of you will start wearing a mask during Flu season? Well if the gov decides that they got away with mandating a mandate for the virus, a flu mandate will be next.
Sorry, but as far as I am concerned you all are a bunch of needy babies that think that just because someone tells you that you will be safer if you wear a mask, wear a helmet, wear a seatbelt, that you NEED a law to make you wear one. Can't you use your own common sense and make your own decisions. Don't put the blame on me if you do not like what other people are doing. Being nosy and feeling the need to interfere with other folks living, is being a pest.
Beware of what you ask the gov to do FOR you. I am not anti government. I just believe in limitations when it comes to power. Once the vaccine is available I will NOT wear a mask again. Until then, I will wear a mask when I think it is necessary. I don't owe any of you anything, especially those on here that disparage this great nation. As far as I am concerned, those that suggest that other countries are laughing at us, do not know what they are speaking of. Until you live half you life in other countries, you do not know enough to even suggest that anyone in other countries would not give up their own families to be able to live here. The only thing they laugh at is the spoiled citizens that complain about how rough they have it here. I did not spend most of my life in service for this country to have a bunch of nobodies put down this great country, so I owe none of you anything. I paid in full, just like many others in my family before me.
You cry about how the gov MUST mandate masks for everyone, but you have no clue as to how it would be enforced. The police aren't going to enforce a mask law. They have way more important things to do than to babysit a bunch of no-loads. Will the mandate stipulate how one must wear the mask? Will it stipulate what an acceptable mask would be? Perhaps eye protection also? How about mandating gloves also? What a bunch of BS .
No one is arguing the fact that wearing a mask can protect to a certain extent. It is not the only thing that can protect. Long sleeved shirts, eye protection, gloves, and just plain staying at home....all protect to a certain extent.
The vaccine will be out shortly and then you won't have anything to complain about. Can't wait for the Flu season to get underway. Wonder how many will wear their masks then. After all, the mask protects...........

World class post, speaks volumes .............buy that man a beer!

Edited to say that I do have a minor problem with your post..........you said "sorry" twice.............no need to be sorry!

[Advogado]

[QUOTE=T59;1861835]Sweden had no lockdowns, no mask mandate. Number of deaths year to date is lower than previous years.

Think about what you are saying. The 2020 deaths are only through November 6. I.e., there are two more months to go. Sweden's experiment with herd immunity has been a failure. By the end of 2020, Sweden's deaths will far exceed their 2019 number. As the site you link to states: "Sweden was the Nordic country that reported the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in 2020."

[Bill14564]

[QUOTE=Advogado;1861885]

Originally Posted by T59

Sweden had no lockdowns, no mask mandate. Number of deaths year to date is lower than previous years.

Think about what you are saying. The 2020 deaths are only through November 6. I.e., there are two more months to go. Sweden's experiment with herd immunity has been a failure. By the end of 2020, Sweden's deaths will far exceed their 2019 number. As the site you link to states: "Sweden was the Nordic country that reported the highest number of COVID-19 deaths in 2020."

That's simply a ridiculous statement.

Look at the numbers. With 77K deaths in 10 months of 2020 that's an average of 7.7K/month. Two months to go would be 15K more deaths for a total of 92K for all of 2020. Slightly (4K) more than 2019. And all that *IF* they meet the 7.7K average for the next two months. Their Covid deaths just hit 40/day the other day which would be 1.2K if that holds.

Yes, Sweden's deaths might slightly exceed 2019 but probably not 2018. To say their 2020 deaths will far exceed 2019, based on these numbers, is just ridiculous.

Sweden does lead the Nordic countries in deaths. If this was planned, Sweden did this in order to keep their economy open and their people free. I wonder how the other Nordic countries are faring in that regard.

[Advogado]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;1861930]

Originally Posted by Advogado

That's simply a ridiculous statement.

Look at the numbers. With 77K deaths in 10 months of 2020 that's an average of 7.7K/month. Two months to go would be 15K more deaths for a total of 92K for all of 2020. Slightly (4K) more than 2019. And all that *IF* they meet the 7.7K average for the next two months. Their Covid deaths just hit 40/day the other day which would be 1.2K if that holds.

Yes, Sweden's deaths might slightly exceed 2019 but probably not 2018. To say their 2020 deaths will far exceed 2019, based on these numbers, is just ridiculous.

Sweden does lead the Nordic countries in deaths. If this was planned, Sweden did this in order to keep their economy open and their people free. I wonder how the other Nordic countries are faring in that regard.

You don't take into a account that COVID-19 didn't really hit and Swedes start to die until the spring of 2020. Therefore, your use of the average monthly death rate to project deaths for the rest of the year is, to use your term, "ridiculous".

The fact is that Sweden's herd-immunity approach is generally regarded as a failure, which has given Sweden the highest death rate of any Nordic country. Now, cold weather is setting in and COVID cases are soaring, so, as I stated, your use of the average monthly death rate as a projection is invalid. In fact, Sweden has had to impose extraordinary restrictions, including banning gatherings of more than 8 people. See, e.g.: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

[Swoop]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;1861930]

Originally Posted by Advogado

That's simply a ridiculous statement.

Look at the numbers. With 77K deaths in 10 months of 2020 that's an average of 7.7K/month. Two months to go would be 15K more deaths for a total of 92K for all of 2020. Slightly (4K) more than 2019. And all that *IF* they meet the 7.7K average for the next two months. Their Covid deaths just hit 40/day the other day which would be 1.2K if that holds.

Yes, Sweden's deaths might slightly exceed 2019 but probably not 2018. To say their 2020 deaths will far exceed 2019, based on these numbers, is just ridiculous.

Sweden does lead the Nordic countries in deaths. If this was planned, Sweden did this in order to keep their economy open and their people free. I wonder how the other Nordic countries are faring in that regard.

Sweden’s Covid deaths have continued to be low after their initial spike.
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[Advogado]

The number of anti-mask posts on this site illustrate why our County Commission must adopt a mask requirement before our hospitals are overrun and more Floridians unnecessarily die. Thirty-five states and a number of Florida counties have already done this.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Advogado

The number of anti-mask posts on this site illustrate why our County Commission must adopt a mask requirement before our hospitals are overrun and more Floridians unnecessarily die. Thirty-five states and a number of Florida counties have already done this.

States with mask mandates are spiking at a higher level than states without mask mandates.

[biker1]

There were 7 new cases in Sumter yesterday. 2.3% of those tested were positive. While cases may be spiking is some areas, Sumter is not currently one of those.

Originally Posted by Advogado

The number of anti-mask posts on this site illustrate why our County Commission must adopt a mask requirement before our hospitals are overrun and more Floridians unnecessarily die. Thirty-five states and a number of Florida counties have already done this.

[Byte1]

They are not listing "new cases" honestly. They are listing test results (all positive test results) as "new cases" because they do not check to see if the testee had tested positive before. If one is tested, then they get tested again until they test negative. You can have one person tested four or five times that is counted as four or five "new cases" which is not being labeled truthfully.
Like someone else said, the only way to get an accurate (if that) reading is to count deaths contributed to the virus. Even then, one can die of something else and be counted "covid related."

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by biker1

There were 7 new cases in Sumter yesterday. 2.3% of those tested were positive. While cases may be spiking is some areas, Sumter is not currently one of those.

Exactly! To try to keep it under control here, we need a mask mandate. We should not wait until hundreds of people are dying every day to take common-sense measures to prevent needless deaths and a disaster for our local economy.

There is no longer any doubt whatsoever that masks save lives.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Swoop

States with mask mandates are spiking at a higher level than states without mask mandates.

I would say that is why they bring in the mandates.
Just maybe, if people had listened to the advice to wear a mask earlier, instead of looking for any spurious reason not to, mandates would not have been needed.
How hard is it to pop one on when needed?
A little protection is better than none!

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Swoop

States with mask mandates are spiking at a higher level than states without mask mandates.

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Your statement is inconsistent with reports that I have seen, but I am always willing to be educated. What is your source? The two states with the highest rates of infection, by far, are the non-masking states of N. and S. Dakota, although N. Dakota just woke up to reality and implemented a mask mandate.

Even if your statistics are true, there is no doubt that masks work to reduce infections. Remember that the non-masking-mandate states (like N. and S. Dakota) tend to be rural, with a scattered population and much less crowding and reliance on mass transit, i.e., inherently lower risk. Furthermore, the non-masking states probably do far less testing than the masking-mandate states.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I would say that is why they bring in the mandates.
Just maybe, if people had listened to the advice to wear a mask earlier, instead of looking for any spurious reason not to, mandates would not have been needed.
How hard is it to pop one on when needed?
A little protection is better than none!

?? You want a mandate to the mandate because the original mandate was ineffective?

It could very well be that people were ignoring the mandate. It's hard to imagine since here, even without a mandate, there are a lot of masks being worn. But isn't it also possible that for all that masks *might* help, they are not effective enough? If that's the case then a mask mandate would just give a false sense of security which would lead to people dropping their guard and ultimately to even more infections.