[Irish Rover]

Jan - I haven't signed on for a few days but I sure am glad that I did today. You are correct about near misses and responsibility. For those who haven't had to slam on their brakes but once - get off the computer and see the world. In Jan/Feb I saw two serious accidents with cars in roundabouts and two golf cart accidents. I believe one resulted in a fatality. Since everyone at TV is creeping up in years, this becomes a touchy subject - but the driving in TV is atrocious (cars & carts). Older people seem to feel empowered and giving the right of way is often forgotten. When you get 70,000 people over 55 and the average age is at whatever, it can really get ugly. Note some previous posts that say "I feel I can say and do whatever I want at my age". This attitude coupled with drivers who have limited eyesight, no drivers license, and bad coordination spells disaster.
Probably will **** off a few folks but so be it.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Irish Rover

In Jan/Feb I saw two serious accidents with cars in roundabouts...

Hey IR,

Roundabouts, huh? Is that what those things are?

I thought they were some burned out, dropped out traffic engineer's design for a kiss-your-own-behind keyhole better suited to the seventh circle of hell.

Or maybe some version of "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" that was rejected by Disney.

Boomer

P. S. Mr. Boomer likes them. LIKES THEM!!!!

[Russ_Boston]

OK I'm going to be the voice of the 'common' man. Not once in that video was there any near miss or anything like that yet everyone is saying how shocking it is. Only once was there even a car coming across the road. Maybe it's because we tend to drive like that up here in MA but stopping for stopping sake is not the norm. Yeah, Yeah, I know it's the law but where in America do we come to complete stops on roads that have such clear visibility and you can see if anyone is coming.

Is this a real problem? Does anyone have the accident rates per thousand of population to show that TV driving is a real issue? I also found the rotaries to be very navigable when i was there but perhaps most of the snowbirds had flown home.

There are a lot of laws that get the casual treatment and I don't think writing tickets because your wheels don't come to a complete stop is ludicrous. Whoever shot the video needs to be spending more time on the golf course or other pursuit of happiness in their 'golden' years. Makes me wonder if there is some other motive behind these type of things.

Just my 2 cents from a driver with a 30+ year spotless record. (Hope I didn't just jinx myself!)

[drdodge]

russ

I agree

drd

[renos]

Russ agree with you 100%. That is an intersection with a very clear view of traffic in both directions. Have never had to slam on the brakes with someone pulling out in front of me when I was on Buena Vista.

[beady]

In part I agree with Jan. I have seen more accidents here in TV in the six months we have lived here than in many years of driving 12 miles each way to work ,over country roads, 2 lane highways and an interstate. I do not know why the folks here are prone to crashes but in TV I buckle up and drive very defensively.
On the cart paths I have not seen any problems.....yet!!!! I have an older slower golf cart and I can not travel as fast as some of our villagers, mostly men, probably late for a tee time!!!! I have been passed many times on the curvy paths north of Polo Ridge going up Buena Vista. Those carts passing me have no visibility ahead yet they shoot out past me anyway. By the way, I often pull over and let anxious drivers past but I have a right to the "road" and I can't be polite all the time. I'd never reach my destinaton > >

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by renos

Russ agree with you 100%. That is an intersection with a very clear view of traffic in both directions. Have never had to slam on the brakes with someone pulling out in front of me when I was on Buena Vista.

There have been several serious accidents and many near misses at this intersection. There are black skid marks criss crossing the intersection much of the time.

[handieman]

To be a school bus driver in NYS, I have to take a road test every year. If I did that on a road test or someone reported with their cell phone that I rolled thru a stop sign, I would be asked to stay home the following day till the school district had time to retest me.

STOP does not mean YEILD, it means just that STOP. Your wheels must stop revolving, plain and simple. Sorry folks, I'm surprised the sheriffs Dept isn't fattening their budget with such devious driving.

Handie :joke:

[another Linda]

Here in Syracuse we call that a California stop.

[Rokinronda]

Russ, my hubby got a ticket for not coming to a complete stop last year at a set of double stop signs within 100 feet of each other with a clear view, in Clermont. Taught him a lesson. I had to laugh because it ruined his unblemished driving record. hehehe It takes 1 second to do a complete stop. I also have a perfect driving record of 35 years. (and I drive frequently!) I OBEY the rules of the road and know what is going on around me at all times. Who is behind me, and how close. Who is coming toward me and are they in control. The signs posted are usually there for a reason. Has a traffic study been done? Should the stop signs be on Buena Vista and a yield be on Calamut? Just wondering. We have a sloowwww golf cart and it suits us fine! We don't want a faster one!

[redwitch]

In California, it's a Hollywood stop.

Never did quite understand what was so hard about the concept of stopping. You take your foot of the gas pedal, gently put it on the brake pedal until your car quits moving; look in all necessary directions; then point your tires in the direction you want to go and go.

[KathieI]

Originally Posted by another Linda

Here in Syracuse we call that a California stop.

Linder, in Los Angeles, we call it a California stop too. Got a ticket for it when I first moved to Los Angeles, about 6 months after moving. Never got another!! Thank Goodness.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by another Linda

Here in Syracuse we call that a California stop.

Here in California we call that stopping or sometimes called a snow slide stop like they do in New York in the winter.

[Shirleevee]

Here on Staten Island we call it :edit: the Stop sign! Seriously, I live by a four way stop and very few stop........

Shirleevee

[Rokinronda]

I suppose blinkers are passe also? Boston was a scary place to drive! ??? I use them automatically, even with no one around.