[barb1191]

Gary is the mastermind behind TV original vision and success and one certainly can not fault him for that.

Mark? Questionable!

[Larry Wilson]

I'm with you Barb. Harold was fantastic, Gary was good, and Mark is a ...Ask the people who have lived and worked here a long time. I could write a book on all the nasty things Mark has done. I won't argue with anyone because most people are clueless about Mark.

[billmar]

Originally Posted by red tail

ill give em this....10 years ago if someone told me i would spend a quarter of a million dollars on a a two bedroom place with people all over the place i would have told them they are crazy! and now here i am.

too funny; too true. me thinks he's laughing all the way to the bank

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Larry Wilson

I'm with you Barb. Harold was fantastic, Gary was good, and Mark is a ...Ask the people who have lived and worked here a long time. I could write a book on all the nasty things Mark has done. I won't argue with anyone because most people are clueless about Mark.

I kinda disagree. Harold was good. Gary IS Fantastic if we are discussing business acumen...and Mark is a legacy kid.

It was only after Harold died that The Villages took off like a rocket.

And I doubt that you or anyone of us villagers really know anything about the family personally; as far as their intentions, personality or values. They are carefully private. We know only the recent few public mistakes and their huge business success.

Kate hit the nail on the head. We aren't going to their church. We are buying into their well planned retirement community.

[jblum315]

One last thought: I just wish the Morses would plan to add more regional rec centers. I see plans for rec centers, but no regionals. And with 105,000 people projected here, we are surely going to need them

[handyman]

I might have met Gary Morse at the wine bar in LSL,or if not he fit the discription............mid 60's never ending smile,


but then again it might have just been just another happy resident

[rubicon]

I tend to agree with those who attempt to separate their feelings about TV with that of the Morse family.

If you want a read on the Morses' then read the Notice of Proposed Issue filed by the IRS. After reading those filings then refer back to archive issues of the POA.

Speak to some of the people who had to pay commericial rent to the Morses. Talk to people who moved to TV in 2005-2006 and ask them to relay their experience.

Far too many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes .

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I tend to agree with those who attempt to separate their feelings about TV with that of the Morse family.

If you want a read on the Morses' then read the Notice of Proposed Issue filed by the IRS. After reading those filings then refer back to archive issues of the POA.

Speak to some of the people who had to pay commericial rent to the Morses. Talk to people who moved to TV in 2005-2006 and ask them to relay their experience.

Far too many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes .

And what about you, did you get the wool pulled over your eyes??

[rubicon]

Yes, yes and yes

[rubicon]

Boogieshooter I did not intend to offend anyone...Just suggesting that people ought not to draw conclusions based on their living experiences good or bad but rather do some research before rendering an opinion. So if I offfended you I do aplogize.

[barb1191]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I kinda disagree. Harold was good. Gary IS Fantastic if we are discussing business acumen...and Mark is a legacy kid.

It was only after Harold died that The Villages took off like a rocket.

And I doubt that you or anyone of us villagers really know anything about the family personally; as far as their intentions, personality or values. They are carefully private. We know only the recent few public mistakes and their huge business success.

Kate hit the nail on the head. We aren't going to their church. We are buying into their well planned retirement community.

Harold Schwartz was alive during the great success of TV Spanish Springs build-out to Rte 466 which "took off like a rocket." LSL wasn't built, but TV was already established with a great reputation during the elder years of its founder, Harold Schwartz.

HS was able to see and revel in the paradise and used to ride around TV in a beautiful stretch white Cadillac. Everyone would recognize the car and wave to him, but couldn't see him as the car windows had a dark tint.

He was always accessible and loved by all.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by barb1191

Harold Schwartz was alive during the great success of TV Spanish Springs build-out to Rte 466 which "took off like a rocket." LSL wasn't built, but TV was already established with a great reputation during the elder years of its founder, Harold Schwartz.

HS was able to see and revel in the paradise and used to ride around TV in a beautiful stretch white Cadillac. Everyone would recognize the car and wave to him, but couldn't see him as the car windows had a dark tint.

He was always accessible and loved by all.

Here is an article in Wikipedia that said that Harold Schwartz had only sold 400 units until he brought his son, Gary Morse in with him in 1983. I think I should have said that Gary Morse seemed to be the person who is responsible for the rocket like growth. I really don't know when Harold Schwartz passed away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Speak to some of the people who had to pay commericial rent to the Morses. Talk to people who moved to TV in 2005-2006 and ask them to relay their experience.

Far too many people have had the wool pulled over their eyes .

1) Don't people know how much the rent is before they lease commercial property? If it's not a good deal, why do it?
2) In 2005-06?? One might make that argument about people who moved almost anywhere during the crest of the housing bubble.

Just saying.

[barb1191]

GG, just wanted to clarify your following comment about HS not able to see the success of TV.

"It was only after Harold died that The Villages took off like a rocket."

I moved here in Feb 2002 and Harold Schwartz died in 2003. When Gary joined forces with his father in 1983, they both worked together with HS purchasing additional land.

As you can see, he was with Gary for twenty years and was an integral part of the "rocket-like growth."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by barb1191

GG, just wanted to clarify your following comment about HS not able to see the success of TV.

"It was only after Harold died that The Villages took off like a rocket."

I moved here in Feb 2002 and Harold Schwartz died in 2003. When Gary joined forces with his father in 1983, they both worked together with HS purchasing additional land.

As you can see, he was with Gary for twenty years and was an integral part of the "rocket-like growth."

Thanks Barb.

This has caused me to clarify some history and I am glad that you and me...are here NOW!

Kindest wishes,
Gracie