[Babubhat]

Notice the words almost and future. Still work to do on software. The regulatory issue is another problem to be resolved.

Full Self-Driving Capability
All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.
The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yesterday you saw an older lady, frequently I see 20-somethings making poor and unsafe decisions (outside TV of course). When is it too old to drive and be retested? 17 seems to be the best answer to capture all the bad drivers.

Perfect response!

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

Yesterday I was on Buena vista traveling north in the right lane Biking.
Her comes a car going south in the left lane of the North bound two lanes going the wrong way.
I start screaming at this person your going the wrong way. The best I could tell, it was a older lady in her 80's plus barely able to look over the dash. I pulled over, looked back as she was going the wrong way in to the round about, OMG!!!
Thank God the person in the Blue SUV slammed on his brakes as she turned left into one of the villages. Also a state body utility truck almost broad sided her as well and slammed on the brakes as everyone else coming into the round about did. I think she was oblivious to what was happening.
HMMMMM no one wants there freedom taken away but this lady almost cause injury to 4 vehicle and there passengers UGGHHHHHH

I'm not sure my hubby would agree that poor driving is age-related at all. Every time he rides w me he threatens to write me for an 86D ( he's a retired state trooper, 86D is an OH form for incompetent driver.) You can imagine my response to him.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I was shocked when we went to get our Florida drivers licenses that they were good for ten years.

10 years!?! Is that a true story? In OH driver's license have to be renewed every 2 years and includes a vision test. 10 years seems like a huge hole in the safety net.

[Babubhat]

I don’t understand the big deal about having a license. 1/4 of the people who are uninsured and most of them don’t have a license. If you’re stopped it winds up being $150 fine which is nothing. laws are worthless if they are not enforced with material consequences.

Florida has the distinction of having the highest percentage of uninsured motorists, according to the Insurance Research Council, at about 27%. And compounding the problem is that many of these motorists—nearly 2 million—are driving with a suspended license, which has usually been revoked due to unpaid fines.

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

One of the most difficult things I have done in my life is to stress to my best friends brother that my best friend should not be driving as his dementia was impairing his decision making skills. It was necessary to do this as I was afraid for my very good friend and others he might meet on the road. He passed away some nine months after losing his driving privileges. In many instances, self- evaluation of driving skills never takes place until a road accident occurs.

Very true. That's where family comes in, not the Government. Government's only tool is a sledgehammer to our rights. We should reach for it only as a last resort.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Challenger

The only way to avoid the problem is to require uniform retesting ,regardless of age. ( ie every 3 or 5 years)

That was the law in Florida in the 1960's.

I was a student at the Univ of Florida during that time and we had to go into the Dept of Motor Vehicles to be re-tested. They checked our vision, hearing, and ability to read and understand signs. If anyone seemed to be incapacitated physically or mentally, I bet they had to a drivers test as well.

We also had to have our cars inspected every year, as I recall.

Them were the 'good ole days'!

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Sorry, it is NOT a right. Seriously people today LOVE to throw around the "I have a right". Well, you don't. Right are clearly enumerated, there is "everything you want and we forgot to list" clause in the constitution. If you have a RIGHT to drive, and it can be taken away for drunk driving, can they take away your RIGHT to own guns for drunk shooting if you don't kill anyone? Nope,. See owning a gun IS a right, driving is NOT a right.

And complain all you want about the DMV here, try it is CA where you make an appointment in order to get in line and waiit 4 hours. Seriously, if you don't have an appointment to get in line you are not allowed in the line.

I grew up here and I am very familiar with the DMV.

Perhaps we should check the contract, since you seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of un-enumerated rights:

Amendment#9:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Amendment #10:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Constitution is not a list of rights. It is a list of prohibitions against government, with a few specific examples of our most important rights that government is specifically forbidden from messing with. EVERY power not specifically delegated to government is retained as a right of the people.

[justjim]

When you turn 80 in Florida you are required to be tested every six years. A family member or others can make a request for a driver to be investigated by DMV to see if they are competent to continue to drive. That’s Florida law according to Google. Some States require testing every year after age 80. Other States require testing at age 75. Florida is more liberal (if I can use that word) toward senior drivers probably because there are so many retirees in the Sunshine State.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

10 years!?! Is that a true story? In OH driver's license have to be renewed every 2 years and includes a vision test. 10 years seems like a huge hole in the safety net.

Sadly, yes, it is true.

And yes, age can be a factor in not being able to drive safely. But it is the "not being ABLE to" that is the problem,. whether you are 17 or 87, if you are able to drive safely, then we can start discussing if you are responsible and safe behind a wheel.

But, people do age differently from each other and we need a way to screen out people that are unable to drive safely. One step could be testing more frequently as you get older. 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, and then every year. Maybe starting at 60, 78, 84, 88, 90, 91, 92, etc.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Shadywood

Perhaps we should check the contract, since you seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of un-enumerated rights:

Amendment#9:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Amendment #10:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Constitution is not a list of rights. It is a list of prohibitions against government, with a few specific examples of our most important rights that government is specifically forbidden from messing with. EVERY power not specifically delegated to government is retained as a right of the people.

The Supreme Court has ruled on a number of occasions that all RIGHTS can be limited by the Government.

The supreme court has determined that there are "Fundamental rights", which have a higher bar of requirements for the government to limit them. These include the right to bear arms, freedom of speech, etc.

You have a right to do anything you want to do as long as it is not limited or restricted by the government. The limits to those rights are call laws.

Laws are what limit or restrict rights. Laws are more limited when they restrict fundamental rights.

Driving is not on the list of fundamental rights. So, driving is a "right" you can do only as long as there is no law against it.

The Supreme Court has ruled that you have a fundamental right to travel on public roads. They have not ruled you have a right to drive on public roads. Therefore your "right" to drive extends only as far as state law permits.

So, you are right to the point that it is true you have the right to do anything you want to do - you are wrong in that does not mean it can not be regulated. Since driving has not been determined to be a fundamental right, there are virtually no limits on how the state can restrict or regulate driving.

That is why it is called a privilege because you can do it with permission. An illegal driver is someone that violates the rules/laws concerning driving. Driving without a license is illegal. Driving while intoxicated is illegal.

So, yes, you can drive without a license, but, the States can pass virtually ANY law restricting that "right", up to and including putting you in jail when you drive without a license. Many states have laws about driving without a license that limits the punishment to fines.

[Babubhat]

Anyone else notice the similarities in responses by Toymeister and Grumpyold man? Both consistently condescending and all knowing like The Great and Powerful Oz. The threads read much better with them on the block list.

[Two Bills]

Nothing to do with age, just the state driving laws.
When my wife and I took our driving tests in Lakelad to qualify for a Florida license, we never left the car park in the car.
Just did some static tests, including an 'emergency stop' at under 20mph!
Never went near a road or freeway.
You get what you are given!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Anyone else notice the similarities in responses by Toymeister and Grumpyold man? Both consistently condescending and all knowing like The Great and Powerful Oz. The threads read much better with them on the block list.

Then why am I not on YOUR block list. You have a right to block me, so do it.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

Yesterday I was on Buena vista traveling north in the right lane Biking.
Her comes a car going south in the left lane of the North bound two lanes going the wrong way.
I start screaming at this person your going the wrong way. The best I could tell, it was a older lady in her 80's plus barely able to look over the dash. I pulled over, looked back as she was going the wrong way in to the round about, OMG!!!
Thank God the person in the Blue SUV slammed on his brakes as she turned left into one of the villages. Also a state body utility truck almost broad sided her as well and slammed on the brakes as everyone else coming into the round about did. I think she was oblivious to what was happening.
HMMMMM no one wants there freedom taken away but this lady almost cause injury to 4 vehicle and there passengers UGGHHHHHH

Not sure - what is worse - an older person driving - or a younger person who has a grammatical error in every single sentence of a long post? Close call…..

HMMMMMMMM