[Laker]

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

So it looks like we need to shut down the country every year, for at least 2 months, until we are all living in huts, or tents if you’re a camper.

There is a reason the word “sheeple” was invented...

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by Laker

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

So it looks like we need to shut down the country every year, for at least 2 months, until we are all living in huts, or tents if you’re a camper.

There is a reason the word “sheeple” was invented...

The difference is there was a vaccine in 1980. There is none yet so without the extreme measures in place the death toll would likely (per medical experts) be in the millions while waiting for a CV vaccine. It’s a tough decision but how do you balance an extreme number of deaths to minimize the economic fallout when it has never been done before? They are trying. It’s easy to arm chair quarterback the first half of the game at halftime.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Laker

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

So it looks like we need to shut down the country every year, for at least 2 months, until we are all living in huts, or tents if you’re a camper.

There is a reason the word “sheeple” was invented...

If I post anything about this post, I will be banned and maybe arrested.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If I post anything about this post, I will be banned and maybe arrested.

You're right - it's not worth it. This specious argument has been beat to death in way too many threads already.

[dewilson58]

What an extremely ignorant post.



And what would be the death count without preventative actions taken.

[stan the man]

[QUOTE=Laker;1749060]So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.
A person with an open mind. "fudged numbers"

[Kerry Azz]

Originally Posted by Laker

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

So it looks like we need to shut down the country every year, for at least 2 months, until we are all living in huts, or tents if you’re a camper.

There is a reason the word “sheeple” was invented...

Then if that’s your belief maybe you should go shopping without a mask and gloves!there was 34200 from the flu in 2018-2019 get your facts straight!

[Kerry Azz]

2018-2019

[Laker]

I meant 2018, all you doom-and-gloomers go back to hiding under your beds, don’t worry there will be another end-of-the-world crisis to come along that you can slurp up without a scintilla of intellectual skepticism.

The End-of-the World Club has been around for 2,000 years, and the same gullible type will be here for another 2,000 years, much to their consternation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Laker

I meant 2018, all you doom-and-gloomers go back to hiding under your beds, don’t worry there will be another end-of-the-world crisis to come along that you can slurp up without a scintilla of intellectual skepticism.

The End-of-the World Club has been around for 2,000 years, and the same gullible type will be here for another 2,000 years, much to their consternation.

You are hereby cordially invited to visit the State House for an intimate luncheon for Ron DeSantis and 400 of his nearest and dearest friends and fellow beach-goers. A handshake and hug ceremony will commence before dessert.

[blueash]

I would ask for clarification of the original post. Does Laker stand by his statement that in 1980 or 2018 there were 80,000 flu deaths and we had a 45% vaccination coverage? If 2018, is 45% of adults in the US about 50 million?

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Does Laker claim the CDC is inflating COVID deaths by including deaths where doctors and coroners did not list COVID as one of the factors in the death?

the CDC is trying to inflate [corona deaths] by counting people who die at home.

Does Laker claim that the CDC only included as a flu death one with a positive influenza test and where the death certificate listed Influenza as the primary cause of death?

If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

I've never used the word "sheeple" Does it mean people who blindly accept lies and follow them as if they were as foolish as sheep showing no skills in critical thinking?

There is a reason the word “sheeple” was invented

[NotFromAroundHere]

Originally Posted by Laker

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.

"CDC officials do not have exact counts of how many people die from flu each year. Flu is so common that not all flu cases are reported, and flu is not always listed on death certificates. So the CDC uses statistical models, which are periodically revised, to make estimates."

So maybe your Flu death rate is inflated too...

[blueash]

Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere

"CDC officials do not have exact counts of how many people die from flu each year. Flu is so common that not all flu cases are reported, and flu is not always listed on death certificates. So the CDC uses statistical models, which are periodically revised, to make estimates."

So maybe your Flu death rate is inflated too...

Don't confuse him with facts. Do note from your citation that the CDC estimates deaths from flu using a statistical model. It does NOT give a flu death rate based on the primary cause of death listed on a death certificate, nor whether influenza is even mentioned on a death certificate. It does not discard deaths at home and only use hospital deaths as its number. The CDC has a fairly strong network of reporting sites to give an estimate of how prevalent influenza is in a community. Part of the modeling is to see how much excess death occurs at the same time as influenza peaks. It is complex and is revised up to 2 years after the flu season as more data is received.

Any attempt to compare the methodology of estimating influenza related deaths to COVID related deaths needs to be based on looking at the differing methods being used. Nobody is hiding anything. All the models and data are available. Finding that information, learning about the subject, critical thinking, math, may be required to begin to understand the material. It is complex and I accept that some may not have been offered the opportunity to develop skills in those arenas. They are still fully entitled to express thoughts on the topics of the day, even complex issues.

[JGVillages]

[QUOTE=stan the man;1749101]

Originally Posted by Laker

So the “regular” flu in 1980 killed 80,000 Americans according to the CDC. And this is with 45% of the adult population having been vaccinated. So conservatively 50 million people vaccinated.

Did we shut down the country and destroy millions of people’s lives?

Nope.

With Coronavirus we have ZERO people vaccinated, and so far about 34,000 deaths, which the CDC is trying to inflate by counting people who die at home. If we apply that same logic to the 2018 flu deaths then you would be over 100,000 deaths from the “regular “ flu.
A person with an open mind. "fudged numbers"

Only 34,000 deaths because of Social Distancing. Your comparison is comparing apples to oranges.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You are hereby cordially invited to visit the State House for an intimate luncheon for Ron DeSantis and 400 of his nearest and dearest friends and fellow beach-goers. A handshake and hug ceremony will commence before dessert.

Best reply ever.