Originally Posted by biker1

Since you aren't involved in the distribution plan you really don't know what you are talking about. Logistics is complicated. It is often those who know the least who are the most critical.

Absolutely correct. Like every big venture there are bugs that need to be worked out. New computer systems, automobiles all have some initial issues. The malcontents who think vaccine distribution will get better this year should realize the new surgeon general already said he cannot meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine distribution schedule. He admits failure without even trying.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

The federal government had a plan, wherein they saw their role as getting the vaccine to the states, then letting the states get the vaccine to the people. What needed to happen was proper funding to the states to accomplish distribution of the vaccine. States don't have the resources or manpower to handle such a massive undertaking. And this is just another failure of the federal government that we have seen repeatedly for the last year, like lack of guidance and $$ for Covid testing, and the lack of personal and protective equipment for medical personnel. The feds should be working hand in hand with the states, to figure out what they need. Help out the overworked state Health Departments with logistics, with personnel from FEMA or the National Guard if needed. In January, there will be a change in federal leadership, and there has been action pledged. It can't come soon enough. Officials had promised 20 million vaccinated by the end of the year, yet less than 3 million have been vaccinated.

Dont get your hopes up too high. The new surgeon general already admits he cant meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine distribution schedule. He admits failure before even trying.

Here is what one state had to say about federal cooperation on the pandemic
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is never shy to point out that President Donald Trump attacks him more than any other governor in America.

But on Monday, Cuomo took to an unlikely venue -- The Howard Stern Show -- to offer genuine praise for the president's response to the coronavirus in his home state.

"He has delivered for New York. He has," Cuomo said of Trump, in response to a question from Stern about whether the president has really done anything of consequence to help.

"By and large it has worked," Cuomo said of the relationship.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Look...do not want to belabor the point.

My posts to you have been to correct your statements relative to all 50 states getting together and, as you said "insisting they be in charge". That did not happen, andvfrom memory, I recall some calls to use some provisions to enhance distribution.

They also, at least to my knowledge are not, as promised a number of times, using our military in the distribution.

Doesn't matter as long as it gets into the arms of our citizenry.

Keep in mind, resources are thin in local government right now, and the bill to help financially was not even approved a week ago.

Let's hope someone, somehow finds a way to pick up the pace

When shown facts that you are wrong you do not want to belabor the point. You said the government had no distribution plan and I showed you that plan.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by stanley

Rebukes in 4......3.....2....1...

Well doctor hawker proctor, do tell and reference the good news?

[Gigi3000]

Originally Posted by Klatu

I suspect the state does not yet have clear idea of how many doses are coming and is therefore reluctant to put a firm schedule in place. We may get impatient but let's just be remember that the healthcare folks are just as anxious as we are to roll out as many vaccinations as we are. And the state officials know we are watching them. So let's not get too bent out of shape. After all, we were told by the doomsayers months ago that there was no way we could develop a vaccine by end of year. But the President's Operation Warp Speed did just that. Kudos to all involved and the shots are coming....

Meanwhile, wear your mask.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Well doctor hawker proctor, do tell and reference the good news?

I don't understand... and I think you misunderstood. I was expecting some rebuke of the facts you presented in this link;

Even After Getting Vaccinated, You Could Still Infect Others | FiveThirtyEight

Seems loads of people here think the vaccine is the end all..it's not.

And I will add this;

COVID-19 Vaccine Talking Points from Weston A. Price Foundation -

[chet2020]

Originally Posted by John41

This is a vaccine the media and their "experts" said would be a miracle to get by the end of 2020. Here is the miracle and you are still providing false information to TOTV. FYI the new surgeon general who will be in charge
next year already said he cannot meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine distribution schedule. Failure before even trying. I would give you the quote but you choose to ignore facts. Here is what one state had to say about federal pandemic help.
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We currently have no problem with vaccine distribution. We have a problem with getting needles in arms. Regardless, the current Surgeon General is not in charge of either component, and the new Surgeon General won't be either. The new Surgeon General was asked his opinion on how fast vaccinations would happen, and he estimated most Americans would be vaccinated by Summer 2021. If the new guys pull this off given the botched roll-out, it will hardly be "failure before trying."

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

State facts , it's two weeks between shots as suggested .

Please, If you "state" them make sure they are in the right "state".

For the Moderna vaccines, the two doses are given 4 weeks apart. For Pfizer's vaccine, the two doses are given 3 weeks apart.

COVID-19 Vaccines 101: FAQ

[BayLady57]

Originally Posted by C. C. Rider

I realize that there are many factors that can make one person more vulnerable to the Coronavirus than another person, but it would be an impossible task to try to fairly rank all of the various factors that would make one person more vulnerable than another person.

Actually there is such a tool available which is used by the VA. This tool called the Care Assessment Needs or CAN tool that was established in 2013 when the PACT model of care was being rolled out with the goal to better manage chronic diseases and provide earlier intervention to reduce rehospitalizations. This tool compiles multifaceted patient data which generates a score that identify patients who statistically are at the highest risk for hospitalization and mortality. So for example, an 85 year old with few if any chronic diseases, minimal if any hospitalizations, and lives in a single family dwelling will generate a lower CAN score than a 65 year old who lives in a communal living environment such as a nursing home and has multiple chronic diseases that resulted in frequent hospitalizations. Being a VA primary care R.N. I use the CAN tool daily to identify patients that I need to outreach frequently to assess for evolving status changes so that early interventions can be implemented to avoid further status decline.

Not sure if the VA will be using the entire CAN score to determine which patients will be 1st offered Covid vaccines. But I am pretty certain that those Vets residing in communal living situations such as nursing homes and Vets living in group homes and shelters regardless of age and health statue will be offered 1st and encouraged to receive Covid vaccines because due to their communal living situations they are at a very high risk for Covid contraction and spreading it to others they live with communally.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The vaccine was approved on Dec 18. Did anyone expect the entire country to be vaccinated in 16 days?

I don't know how many doses they can produce in a day but it's going to take a while to produce 330 million. Then they have to produce another 330 million. Then there is the issue with this product having to be stored at -95 degrees. Transportation and distribution are going to take a while.

We're only 16 days out people.

[Professor]

Anyone have any luck getting a vaccination scheduled in Sumter county today?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The vaccine was approved on Dec 18. Did anyone expect the entire country to be vaccinated in 16 days?

I don't know how many doses they can produce in a day but it's going to take a while to produce 330 million. Then they have to produce another 330 million. Then there is the issue with this product having to be stored at -95 degrees. Transportation and distribution are going to take a while.

We're only 16 days out people.

I replied to something similar a day or so ago, but here goes again:

- There were going to be 100M doses available in December
- Or maybe only 50M due to production problems
- But only 25M be administered with the other half held for the 2nd dose
- But they were only able to ship about 20M
- Or maybe they only shipped 12M
- And the best information we have heard is about 2.1M doses went into arms.

So no, 330M in 14 days was always unachievable and never proposed or expected but we were promised something significantly more than 2.1M actually given.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by MOMOH

It seems we can be used by politicians to make announcements and get publicity for themselves, but when it counts, aka COVID vaccine for Sumter County, we're just "chopped liver". Where's our vaccine?

The Sumter County Board of Commissioners released the following statement on COVID-19 vaccination:

"The Sumter County Health Department has not yet established a list, line, or registry for an individual to sign up to receive the vaccine as the State of Florida has not defined the schedule and volume of distribution to Sumter County at this time.

Please watch the Sumter County Health Department website and press releases for future announcements."

The Administration put Vaccinations off to the states some Governors put it off to the counties. There are very few doses for mass inoculations. Operation Warp Speed was a catchy name for development but it seems we are at Operation Snail Pace now.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by John41

Dont get your hopes up too high. The new surgeon general already admits he cant meet the Operation Warp Speed vaccine distribution schedule. He admits failure before even trying.

Here is what one state had to say about federal cooperation on the pandemic
----------------'------'---
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is never shy to point out that President Donald Trump attacks him more than any other governor in America.

But on Monday, Cuomo took to an unlikely venue -- The Howard Stern Show -- to offer genuine praise for the president's response to the coronavirus in his home state.

"He has delivered for New York. He has," Cuomo said of Trump, in response to a question from Stern about whether the president has really done anything of consequence to help.

"By and large it has worked," Cuomo said of the relationship.

Just for context.....Cuomo comments were made in APRIL

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I replied to something similar a day or so ago, but here goes again:

- There were going to be 100M doses available in December
- Or maybe only 50M due to production problems
- But only 25M be administered with the other half held for the 2nd dose
- But they were only able to ship about 20M
- Or maybe they only shipped 12M
- And the best information we have heard is about 2.1M doses went into arms.

So no, 330M in 14 days was always unachievable and never proposed or expected but we were promised something significantly more than 2.1M actually given.

Ok so there has been a glitch. I'm sure that things will get better as the people do it more. There is always a learning curve. But even if 12 or 20 million doses were given we still might not have them here. People just need to be patient. It may be another few weeks or months before you get yours.