In this case, it seems justified. Is there anywhere on the planet with a higher concentration of at risk people?

It was in yesterday's Daily Sun.

Ohiobuckeye
 

I agree with your comment. But remember politicians really think they’re Little Gods! That makes them better than Chopped Liver. Very good comment, MOMOH.

Sumter Vaccines
 

Sumter starts taking calls Monday for getting appointments for the vaccine. It was in the news yesterday.

Good luck!!!
Will make toilet paper and gas lines look inviting!!

listing to main stream media I see?

If you want to know what’s really going on in world that revolves around China and how they infiltrated the world now, utube NTD china in focus.


It’s states and local governments responsible to inoculate the population. They federal government has provided the means for your FREE vaccination, up to drug company’s to produce it and get in distribution and states to inoculate.

I find it strange that china going to get 100 million doses from Pfizer Germany in January and February ( when Europe not better off than us?) Wasn’t China bragging they has had the first vaccine. China workers that been vaccinated traveled to Africa when the got off plane they tested positive.

Well, if FDA hadn’t wasted month to approve it after the study we might be further down the road.

In my opinion, the Governor has the priorities right - give the vaccine to those who are at the greatest risk of dying from the COVID-19 virus.

It is part of the role of the ACIP and the CDC to be sure that medical care is not delivered first to white people because they are white people. If you are familiar with the Tuskegee experiment where the United States Government deliberately chose to not treat Black people for syphilis when a treatment was available just so they could watch and see how many died or were made blind, demented, deafened or otherwise harmed by the disease. The CDC was part of that shameful event which continued to not treat Black people for 40 years. This was not a one or two year study. Because of that racist act endorsed by the US Public Health service, the CDC, and the US government, the ACIP and the CDC now try to determine whether what they are doing is fair to all groups and take into account how their acts might inadvertently impact communities of color.

For example if the CDC said we will send vaccine to private practicing physicians first to administer to their patients. That sounds fair until you understand that minorities are much less likely to have a private physician. Looking for that kind of unintentional impact of decisions is what is meant by the lines you cited.

Additionally if a disease is hitting a particular community harder then resources to combat that disease should be directed in a greater amount to that community. Should sickle cell resources be allocated evenly across all racial groups? What about lead poisoning? What about hypertension? If a disease is more severe in one racial group should the CDC be certain that its policies promote justice by ensuring that plans don't disadvantage that group?

Lastly you cherry picked a part of sentences thus leaving a false impression that race or ethnicity was unfairly being used to make decisions. It is of course the exact opposite. For those that have read this far, go read the whole section HERE and go to the bottom where the CDC discusses the ethical issues that are considered in its recommendations.

Your clipped sentence "Although racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among persons >65 years" is part of a longer discussion which you ignored thus misinforming the readers on this website. The longer discussion informs the reader that there are difficulties in getting this vaccine into underserved communities because of its extreme storage and handling requirements. Further it points out that in the over 65 age group while there are fewer POC, the disease is more severe in those POC over age 65.

The CDC is saying that even though there are fewer POC over 65 it is more important to have policies to reach them as they are more likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid. Identifying high risk groups and minimizing health inequalities are exactly what they are charged with doing.

No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet.

Please stay on point and stop posting conspiracy theories.

Dr. Winston Boogie? What post? Usually he is quite reasonable and does not buy into conspiracy theories. I will have to go and look. He is usually a dependable and reliable source of information.

"No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet."


True! It also demonstrates how insidious, expansive and cloaked, institutional racism is - and how it is perpetuated.

Lol

I know that many of us are waiting for valid information as to when and where we will be able to receive the vaccine for Covid-19. Some of the first older residents in another county to get the shot were interviewed on Television and it was touching to hear them talk about it. They were patient and tried very hard to follow the CDC guidelines and to wear masks and keep social distancing and to try to avoid gatherings. Some were over 80 and of course they (we) are at the most risk. They were very emotional about their relief to be vaccinated and said it was not only for themselves but for their families who love them and realized that their risk of dying was greater because of their age.

I wish that we hadn't gone off in another direction in this thread. I am tired of being lectured about things that most of us know and are sensitive to. AND care about. Talking to most people I know about race is preaching to the choir. People do care and they are mindful.

I saw one of those interviews, where the people being vaccinated mainly talked about how great it will be to see and visit their grandchildren again. Implying that they had the ability to stay at home, weren't forced to work in public and were in essence admitting, that they were basically tired of being inconvenienced and/or were bored. Those of us who have the ability and resources to continue to isolate and stay at home, getting in line ahead of even much younger people who have no choice but to continue to work and interact with the public through no real choice of their own - is IMHO simply selfishness from us 'older' (I'm one of those older, with comorbidities) people. I'll do my patriotic duty and just wait for those who actually need it the most, to get vaccinated first.

Actually, Pfizer, who got the first approval, was not part of Operation Warp Speed.

The time was not wasted. It was necessary to follow all procedures to ensure that the public would have faith in the vaccine since so much misinformation had been put out on the virus by the administration. The FDA approved it in record time.

I did not ignore nor did I misinform. Clearly, I did not copy and paste the entire section which also includes this statement:

Adults >65 years of age are a heterogenous population; a strict age-based criterion could inadvertently increase disparities due to racial and social inequities, such as occupation, income, and access to health care.

So racial and ethnic considerations are important, strict age-based criterion should not be used, and essential workers should come before persons aged over 65 years.



I read the same article; I cannot find it now but will update this post if/when I do.
Edit: This is the article I read. You might need a subscription to read it.

But regardless of the article, the recommendations do appear to move some seniors back in line behind essential workers in part due to some racial and ethnic minorities being over-represented in that group.

Not completely wrong, temporarily without a source, and not a conspiracy theory at all.

Edit for clarity: My opinion, not that it matters, is that the vaccine should be distributed to best solve the problem of COVID. It should not be used to reward those who have been serving on the front lines, it should not be used to protect someone's mother, and it should not be used to address equity issues of the past. If the problem is death then distribute it to the group most likely to die. If the problem is overcrowding of hospitals then distribute it to the group most likely to be hospitalized. If the problem is to minimize infections as a means to reduce both hospitalizations and deaths then distribute it to that group. Perhaps that is exactly what the ACIP recommendations are attempting to do.

Did not need to go in "other direction ".

The source of the "steering of the thread, and to, as pretty much always go to race, was a comment made by a Doctor whose job is working on ethics. He made a simple comment that was blown out of proportion, both on "some" media sites, and on TOTV.

He corrected and explained his context the same day, and a number of us corrected the post on here that day.

Just a general question on Distribution.....were we not told emphatically by the government that military would be used to distribute, and handle logistics. I can recall at least three times hearing that stated.

Are they involved in some way ?

From Sumter County

COVID-19 Vaccination | Florida Department of Health in Sumter

Well you know who got theirs first. The ones who said they would never take it.

Our friends in Lake County got theirs yesterday. 12/30

Actually, Pfizer was part of warp speed. Go to the HHS website where it gives you a time line and some facts.

You should be glad. Less chances of YOU being infected by them.

COVID-19 Vaccination | Florida Department of Health in Sumter

More Covid-19 news updates

Here is a link to the Lake County press release:
DOH-LAKE VACCINE SITES UPDATE | Florida Department of Health in Lake

Here is a link to the Marion County press release:
Marion County residents ages 65 and older now able to sign up for COVID-19 vaccination | Florida Department of Health in Marion

Even more interesting is the 12/29/2020 press release from Gov. Desantis and Hospital CEOs announcing the overall State distribution plan:
Governor Ron DeSantis, Hospital CEOs Announce Distribution Plan for Weekly COVID-19 Vaccine Allocation and Recognize Statewide Progress on Vaccine Distribution | Florida Department of Health

Growing attention on this ...
https://www.**************.com/2020/...id-19-vaccine/ (the other news site)

Village Health Chief Medical Officer addresses Covid-19 in The Villages:
https://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/...b0c226d9a.html

Vaccine distribution status among the various states:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ibution-doses/

Private vs public government delivery
 

Anytime the government is involved expect mediocrity and poor communication. What happened to CVS and Walgreens delivery ?

For Star Trek fans only.
 

Unfortunately "Operation Warp Speed" has turned into "Impulse Power."

weekYour post is already out of date. Lake County will NOT have walks ins until sometime next week pending a delivery of more vaccine. Today through 1/2 only appointments are being honored and you can no longer get one. IF the shipment arrives by Saturday, then vaccine sites will accept walk ins starting 1/4. If not, nobody knows when they will restart.

I hope your not 75 or over and have several other medical reasons for needing the vaccine. Yes we are sitting at home but not because we are bored and feel inconvenienced but because as a high risk individual, without the vaccine, we could be gone, once infected, in a couple of weeks or less. Hardly just an inconvenience.

And tomorrow yours will be too.

Pfizer did not take money for development of the vaccine. but is a part of warp speed as a supplier of doses

I know many of us are eager to get the vaccine, it's not always best to be the first of a new program. there have been some errors....one person got 5 times the dose because the nurse thought the whole Pfizer vial was one dose. another instance several people got the antibody treatment given to them instead of the vaccine. the antibody treatment is supposed to be diluted and given as an infusion over time, not IM. there's the bizarre case of someone deliberately leaving out vaccines so they are unusable....what if someone inadvertently put them out to be used? we are far better off being a bit more patient until there is an ample supply to insure we get both doses and a streamlined procedure for administration.

Vaccine
 

A friend who lives in Baldwin Park near Orlando registered last Monday for vaccine and she got it today and is scheduled for second shot in Jan! Sat in the car and received it! What happened to nursing homes and assisted living areas being first! She said her friends registered and are getting shots next week! Somethings wrong with this picture!

Auxilliary power is out and they're down to the batteries. Scotty is working on it:1rotfl::1rotfl:

McCoy, "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a vaccine supply chain coordinator."

Some people just seem to need to complain. Anything productive about it? NOPE.

this comment may be removed, but it's worth it for me to support dr winston's comment re: tuskeegee exp. it was most certainly true, & will defend his right to post. over & out:bigbow:

The lithiam crystals Captain....they won't hold out much longer....

If and that's a big IF, they were able to administer one million shots per day, with 250+ million people eligible to get the shot, it would take almost a year for everyone just to get their 1st shot.

The Captain will initiate warp speed.