[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

It will take years for everyone to get the vaccine at the rate we are going.

listing to main stream media I see?

If you want to know what’s really going on in world that revolves around China and how they infiltrated the world now, utube NTD china in focus.


It’s states and local governments responsible to inoculate the population. They federal government has provided the means for your FREE vaccination, up to drug company’s to produce it and get in distribution and states to inoculate.

I find it strange that china going to get 100 million doses from Pfizer Germany in January and February ( when Europe not better off than us?) Wasn’t China bragging they has had the first vaccine. China workers that been vaccinated traveled to Africa when the got off plane they tested positive.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Regor

With 330 million people in the USA, 20 million won't go far

Well, if FDA hadn’t wasted month to approve it after the study we might be further down the road.

[rogerk]

In my opinion, the Governor has the priorities right - give the vaccine to those who are at the greatest risk of dying from the COVID-19 virus.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

This criticism might be a bit harsh. From the CDC link that was provided it is possible to find the ACIP recommendations and in particular the evidence table for allocations where the following two statements can be found.

In the Ethics section for essential workers:

Mitigate health inequities: COVID-19 vaccination helps to address the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 among some racial and ethnic minorities who are overrepresented in subsets of essential workers.

In the Ethics section for persons over 65 years:

Mitigate health inequities: Although racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among persons >65 years,

While the ACIP certainly didn't say "old people are too white," the racial makeup of the different groups clearly was part of the consideration.

It is part of the role of the ACIP and the CDC to be sure that medical care is not delivered first to white people because they are white people. If you are familiar with the Tuskegee experiment where the United States Government deliberately chose to not treat Black people for syphilis when a treatment was available just so they could watch and see how many died or were made blind, demented, deafened or otherwise harmed by the disease. The CDC was part of that shameful event which continued to not treat Black people for 40 years. This was not a one or two year study. Because of that racist act endorsed by the US Public Health service, the CDC, and the US government, the ACIP and the CDC now try to determine whether what they are doing is fair to all groups and take into account how their acts might inadvertently impact communities of color.

For example if the CDC said we will send vaccine to private practicing physicians first to administer to their patients. That sounds fair until you understand that minorities are much less likely to have a private physician. Looking for that kind of unintentional impact of decisions is what is meant by the lines you cited.

Additionally if a disease is hitting a particular community harder then resources to combat that disease should be directed in a greater amount to that community. Should sickle cell resources be allocated evenly across all racial groups? What about lead poisoning? What about hypertension? If a disease is more severe in one racial group should the CDC be certain that its policies promote justice by ensuring that plans don't disadvantage that group?

Lastly you cherry picked a part of sentences thus leaving a false impression that race or ethnicity was unfairly being used to make decisions. It is of course the exact opposite. For those that have read this far, go read the whole section HERE and go to the bottom where the CDC discusses the ethical issues that are considered in its recommendations.

Your clipped sentence "Although racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among persons >65 years" is part of a longer discussion which you ignored thus misinforming the readers on this website. The longer discussion informs the reader that there are difficulties in getting this vaccine into underserved communities because of its extreme storage and handling requirements. Further it points out that in the over 65 age group while there are fewer POC, the disease is more severe in those POC over age 65.

The CDC is saying that even though there are fewer POC over 65 it is more important to have policies to reach them as they are more likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid. Identifying high risk groups and minimizing health inequalities are exactly what they are charged with doing.

Vaccination, however, will require focused outreach to persons >65 years who have no or limited access to health care or experience inequities in social determinants of health.

No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet.

[Joanne19335]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Chinas plan was to get old and sick to not be a burden on society. Covid will stop pensions, social security, and Medicare. China will run the world before 2030 and they are working their plan. Wait till you see Covid-23. Keep buying Chinese, fools.

Please stay on point and stop posting conspiracy theories.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

It is part of the role of the ACIP and the CDC to be sure that medical care is not delivered first to white people because they are white people. If you are familiar with the Tuskegee experiment where the United States Government deliberately chose to not treat Black people for syphilis when a treatment was available just so they could watch and see how many died or were made blind, demented, deafened or otherwise harmed by the disease. The CDC was part of that shameful event which continued to not treat Black people for 40 years. This was not a one or two year study. Because of that racist act endorsed by the US Public Health service, the CDC, and the US government, the ACIP and the CDC now try to determine whether what they are doing is fair to all groups and take into account how their acts might inadvertently impact communities of color.

For example if the CDC said we will send vaccine to private practicing physicians first to administer to their patients. That sounds fair until you understand that minorities are much less likely to have a private physician. Looking for that kind of unintentional impact of decisions is what is meant by the lines you cited.

Additionally if a disease is hitting a particular community harder then resources to combat that disease should be directed in a greater amount to that community. Should sickle cell resources be allocated evenly across all racial groups? What about lead poisoning? What about hypertension? If a disease is more severe in one racial group should the CDC be certain that its policies promote justice by ensuring that plans don't disadvantage that group?

Lastly you cherry picked a part of sentences thus leaving a false impression that race or ethnicity was unfairly being used to make decisions. It is of course the exact opposite. For those that have read this far, go read the whole section HERE and go to the bottom where the CDC discusses the ethical issues that are considered in its recommendations.

Your clipped sentence "Although racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among persons >65 years" is part of a longer discussion which you ignored thus misinforming the readers on this website. The longer discussion informs the reader that there are difficulties in getting this vaccine into underserved communities because of its extreme storage and handling requirements. Further it points out that in the over 65 age group while there are fewer POC, the disease is more severe in those POC over age 65.

The CDC is saying that even though there are fewer POC over 65 it is more important to have policies to reach them as they are more likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid. Identifying high risk groups and minimizing health inequalities are exactly what they are charged with doing.



No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet.

Dr. Winston Boogie? What post? Usually he is quite reasonable and does not buy into conspiracy theories. I will have to go and look. He is usually a dependable and reliable source of information.

[tvbound]

"No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet."


True! It also demonstrates how insidious, expansive and cloaked, institutional racism is - and how it is perpetuated.

[SugarBear]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Chinas plan was to get old and sick to not be a burden on society. Covid will stop pensions, social security, and Medicare. China will run the world before 2030 and they are working their plan. Wait till you see Covid-23. Keep buying Chinese, fools.

Lol

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tvbound

"No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet."


True! It also demonstrates how insidious, expansive and cloaked, institutional racism is - and how it is perpetuated.

I know that many of us are waiting for valid information as to when and where we will be able to receive the vaccine for Covid-19. Some of the first older residents in another county to get the shot were interviewed on Television and it was touching to hear them talk about it. They were patient and tried very hard to follow the CDC guidelines and to wear masks and keep social distancing and to try to avoid gatherings. Some were over 80 and of course they (we) are at the most risk. They were very emotional about their relief to be vaccinated and said it was not only for themselves but for their families who love them and realized that their risk of dying was greater because of their age.

I wish that we hadn't gone off in another direction in this thread. I am tired of being lectured about things that most of us know and are sensitive to. AND care about. Talking to most people I know about race is preaching to the choir. People do care and they are mindful.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I know that many of us are waiting for valid information as to when and where we will be able to receive the vaccine for Covid-19. Some of the first older residents in another county to get the shot were interviewed on Television and it was touching to hear them talk about it. They were patient and tried very hard to follow the CDC guidelines and to wear masks and keep social distancing and to try to avoid gatherings. Some were over 80 and of course they (we) are at the most risk. They were very emotional about their relief to be vaccinated and said it was not only for themselves but for their families who love them and realized that their risk of dying was greater because of their age.

I wish that we hadn't gone off in another direction in this thread. I am tired of being lectured about things that most of us know and are sensitive to. AND care about. Talking to most people I know about race is preaching to the choir. People do care and they are mindful.

I saw one of those interviews, where the people being vaccinated mainly talked about how great it will be to see and visit their grandchildren again. Implying that they had the ability to stay at home, weren't forced to work in public and were in essence admitting, that they were basically tired of being inconvenienced and/or were bored. Those of us who have the ability and resources to continue to isolate and stay at home, getting in line ahead of even much younger people who have no choice but to continue to work and interact with the public through no real choice of their own - is IMHO simply selfishness from us 'older' (I'm one of those older, with comorbidities) people. I'll do my patriotic duty and just wait for those who actually need it the most, to get vaccinated first.

[jklfairwin]

Actually, Pfizer, who got the first approval, was not part of Operation Warp Speed.

[jklfairwin]

The time was not wasted. It was necessary to follow all procedures to ensure that the public would have faith in the vaccine since so much misinformation had been put out on the virus by the administration. The FDA approved it in record time.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by blueash

...

Lastly you cherry picked a part of sentences thus leaving a false impression that race or ethnicity was unfairly being used to make decisions. It is of course the exact opposite. For those that have read this far, go read the whole section HERE and go to the bottom where the CDC discusses the ethical issues that are considered in its recommendations.

Your clipped sentence "Although racial and ethnic minority groups are underrepresented among persons >65 years" is part of a longer discussion which you ignored thus misinforming the readers on this website. The longer discussion informs the reader that there are difficulties in getting this vaccine into underserved communities because of its extreme storage and handling requirements. Further it points out that in the over 65 age group while there are fewer POC, the disease is more severe in those POC over age 65.

The CDC is saying that even though there are fewer POC over 65 it is more important to have policies to reach them as they are more likely to get seriously ill or die from Covid. Identifying high risk groups and minimizing health inequalities are exactly what they are charged with doing.

I did not ignore nor did I misinform. Clearly, I did not copy and paste the entire section which also includes this statement:

Adults >65 years of age are a heterogenous population; a strict age-based criterion could inadvertently increase disparities due to racial and social inequities, such as occupation, income, and access to health care.

So racial and ethnic considerations are important, strict age-based criterion should not be used, and essential workers should come before persons aged over 65 years.

No matter how you read the CDC's recommendations, it is still true that Dr. Winston's post was completely wrong, without sources, and a fine example of how conspiracy theories spread on the internet.

I read the same article; I cannot find it now but will update this post if/when I do.
Edit: This is the article I read. You might need a subscription to read it.

But regardless of the article, the recommendations do appear to move some seniors back in line behind essential workers in part due to some racial and ethnic minorities being over-represented in that group.

Not completely wrong, temporarily without a source, and not a conspiracy theory at all.

Edit for clarity: My opinion, not that it matters, is that the vaccine should be distributed to best solve the problem of COVID. It should not be used to reward those who have been serving on the front lines, it should not be used to protect someone's mother, and it should not be used to address equity issues of the past. If the problem is death then distribute it to the group most likely to die. If the problem is overcrowding of hospitals then distribute it to the group most likely to be hospitalized. If the problem is to minimize infections as a means to reduce both hospitalizations and deaths then distribute it to that group. Perhaps that is exactly what the ACIP recommendations are attempting to do.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I know that many of us are waiting for valid information as to when and where we will be able to receive the vaccine for Covid-19. Some of the first older residents in another county to get the shot were interviewed on Television and it was touching to hear them talk about it. They were patient and tried very hard to follow the CDC guidelines and to wear masks and keep social distancing and to try to avoid gatherings. Some were over 80 and of course they (we) are at the most risk. They were very emotional about their relief to be vaccinated and said it was not only for themselves but for their families who love them and realized that their risk of dying was greater because of their age.

I wish that we hadn't gone off in another direction in this thread. I am tired of being lectured about things that most of us know and are sensitive to. AND care about. Talking to most people I know about race is preaching to the choir. People do care and they are mindful.

Did not need to go in "other direction ".

The source of the "steering of the thread, and to, as pretty much always go to race, was a comment made by a Doctor whose job is working on ethics. He made a simple comment that was blown out of proportion, both on "some" media sites, and on TOTV.

He corrected and explained his context the same day, and a number of us corrected the post on here that day.

Just a general question on Distribution.....were we not told emphatically by the government that military would be used to distribute, and handle logistics. I can recall at least three times hearing that stated.

Are they involved in some way ?

[Chi-Town]

From Sumter County

COVID-19 Vaccination | Florida Department of Health in Sumter